(Kiri is the session's
ring mistress and starts things off)
Skip: ........be nice.
Kiri: honesty is very, very important,
very important but there again by being too honest and
truthful you can also cause harm. If you never told a
lie even a white lie and always told the truth, for
example letís say I wake up in the morning and I look
like death warmed over and Iím wearing something that
is a littleÖ..makes me look very silly and Mark says
to me, ďoh that looks very nice hon.Ē not to hurt my
Kiri: and I go out and everybodyís
laughing and snickering at me not they would because I
donít really care but then I would get upset because
Iíd be made a fool of.
Kiri: so sometimes telling white lies is
acceptable to protect.
Skip: well hon, thatís being considerate.
Skip: what I was discussing was a
personís feelings changing towards another person.
Skip: let them know, donít lie to them.
Kiri: yes true, that is admirable but
also peopleís feelings change constantly. One moment
you can absolutely detest somebody and the next moment
you can absolutely adore somebody or a week later you
adore somebody. Itís something that is at the moment.
Russ: thatís a good point Kiri, I hadnít
thought of that but youíre quite correctÖ..
Russ: I found that to be actually true in
many of my relationships where they do something, hey
give it a couple days and it's like right back on
square one again.
Kiri: yeah but one of the most common
things that Iíve noticed talking to quite a number of
people that have been here about relationships is that
a lot of people mistake lust for love, a lot of people
and that in itself is a problem. Something that needs
to be realized that love isnít something that
happensÖ..(claps her hands).....like that even with
twin souls or triple souls. I had very little feelings
towards Mark or Tia, I felt complete and I knew that
they were triple souls but it wasnít something that
was sort of like Bam, this big revelation. Sort of
like, ďokay theyíre my triple souls, big deal.Ē
Russ: is that because you guys deal with
that situation a lot?
Kiri: uh-huh. But it is something that is
a common misconception especially on the third
dimension that itís this big, big revelation. Itís
not, it really isnít, itís not a big deal at all.
Being complete and whole is wonderful, itís a great
feeling but there isnít always love between twin souls
or triple souls or even quadruple souls, itís
something that takes time and in taking time itís
something that you have to learn to accept. A lot of
people, again especially on the third dimension, act
on their bodily instincts which can frequently be
wrong. The act of following your instinct and
following your heart thatís acting at the
moment......it's like my grandmother said that having
love for everything is great but using the mind to
realize what is right, sometimes love can be very
misleading and very dangerous, it can lead to
destruction but by using your mind and analyzing a
situation and realizing what is right and what is
wrong and what should or should not be done and
combining that with the feeling of love if everything
works out how you want it to work. For example letís
say looking for the perfect guy. I want blonde hair,
blue eyes, six foot tall, muscular build, highly
intelligent, psychically active in all five abilities,
thatís saying what I want. And if Iím not prepared to
lower my standards and I wait and look and search for
that person and I find them finally, then Iím going to
do my best to make sure it works because they meet all
my criteria, I havenít lowered my standards so
therefore I've decided what I want and thereís no
point in lowering oneís standards. To lower oneís
standards is accepting second, third, fourth or even
fifth best. Who wants to accept third or fourth or
fifth or second best, anybody?
Skip: Iím just absorbing everything
Kiri: oh, well it was formed in a
question as well, yes or no?
Skip: sorry about that.
Kiri: are you prepared to accept anything
less than the best that you want?
Skip: well, what I want doesnít exist.
Kiri: how do you know? How do we know
anything? I mean we could continue from where we left
(Skip starts laughing)
Kiri: but I think that might be flogging
a dead dog.
Skip: yeah, I think so.
Kiri: uh-huh but it is accepting what we
want and not settling for anything less. To settle for
less, does that give us happiness? Well?
Russ: yes as matter of fact, sometimes it
Kiri: settling for less?
Kiri: of total full happiness? Give me an
Russ: okay, I could do with at least
$500,000 right now in my bank accountÖ..
Russ: but until that happens, Iím
perfectly happy with settling for what I have with me
until that time comes.
Kiri: ahh, but youíre working towards it.
Russ: oh yes absolutely.
Kiri: okay so you havenít settled for it
then, youíre working towards it.
Russ: yeah Iíve settled with it for the
Kiri: nope, you havenít even settled for
the moment because youíre working towards it. To
settle for second best means that thatís as far as
youíre going to go, youíre not. Is that correct?
Russ: thatís quite correct.
Kiri: so therefore you havenít settled
for second best.
Russ: well how could we? Weíre third
dimensional creatures, we're trying to get to the
Kiri: that's correct.
Russ: that means weíll never stop
Kiri: no I'm talking
Kiri: no, the particular goals that you
set in this incarnation.
Kiri: okay, so by settling and setting
the objective and working towards it, youíre not
settling for second best you're working towards
Kiri: uh-huh. Do you agree Skip?
Skip: yeah I guess so, yeah.
now hereís a question for you. Were I to die
Russ: I would be working on my desire to
work towards that $500,000 or whatever my goal happens
Russ: wouldn't that keep me
behind as far as before I can move on to the nextÖ..
Kiri: not necessarily.
Russ: because Iím attached to it and
I've got that attachment that's holding me back?
Kiri: not necessarily, not
Skip: no, you may ofÖ..excuse me Iím
sorry, go ahead.
Kiri: oh no no, you go ahead.
Skip: you may have learned what youíre
supposed to learn nowÖ
Skip: so you would go ahead and move
ahead no matter whether you've still got things to
accomplish in your 3-D mind or not.
Kiri: exactly what I was going to say but
Russ: ahh, so I would see the futility of
Kiri: not necessarily.
Skip: no youíre still working towards it.
Kiri: uh-huh but it would just be a
different objective. What would possibly happen is
that all the events that you set in to action would
end up amassing that amount after your departure and
then your child would benefit. So therefore you would
be detached from it and remote from it, it would be
irrelevant at that point. Having learned all that
youíre supposed to learn, itís your time to move on,
itís your time.
Kiri: no ifs, ands or buts. So therefore
any plans or anything that you have that are not
relevant to your moving on are besides the point, they
may or may not bear fruition.
Russ: up until now Iíve achieved most all
Kiri: you think so?
Russ: well the ones I set early in my
life that I wanted to achieve by a certain time
period. Now my goals have all been changing to make
room for the new goals that I need to work on and
those of course are more spiritual than they are
Skip: they constantly change, even if
youíre not even spiritually aware, they still
Kiri: oh yeah.
Kiri: but thatís part of the growth
patterns, thatís all part of growing, all part of
learning you see. To grow and advance is all part of
the evolution of the being, constantly
advancing, constantly growing, constantly struggling,
even up to the last moment. Youíve got to continue
that advancing, you cannot sit down and vegetate and
sort of like, ďmy life is done, itís over, letís just
sit in the chair and watch entertainment all day.Ē
That achieves nothing. Even if you do that at a
younger age, what does it do for you? You have no
goals, no objectives, no ambitions to do anything, no
wanting to do anything, whatís the point of that?
Russ: well I read something today that
was about bacteria is the only form of culture some
(that gets Kiri snickering)
Skip: yeah and this is trueÖ.
Skip: this is very true. Some people
never, never progress out of that state.
Kiri: yeah and as much as you try to coax
them and push them and prod them and give them all the
incentives and everything, thatís all that they ever
will be because they've lacked A, the learning
capability to learn the lessons and they repeat the
same mistakes over and over again, ask the same
questions over and over again just different ways, not
even remembering that theyíve asked those questions or
having the cognitive capability to be able to realize
that theyíve asked those questions. To realize that
theyíre asking the same question in in a different
way. How many times can you ask the same question in
different ways? Itís endless, endless possibilities
like we were discussing last week, itís endless,
infinite number of possibilities to ask one question.
Skip: yeah, itís the same thing lifetime
after lifetime after lifetime.
Russ: hmm, well this brings me to a point
of a news item that came about today which I donít
know if youíve heard it was not there was a school
shooting out in ColoradoÖÖ
Russ: a couple fellows came in and took
out a lot of their schoolmates. Now you have to ask
yourself and this goes of course into last weekís
discussion on whatís the bloody point and you have to
realize that there must be a reasonÖ.
Russ: and if we even canít see it, we can
be shocked by the events and the acts that
take place, perhaps thatís part of the reason? I think
itís incomprehensible at this point to know what is
the reason and where is this leading to.
Kiri: okay what is the emotional reaction
to that event?
Russ: well itís a lot likeÖ..
Kiri: no, what was your emotional
reaction to it?
Russ: oh, my emotional reaction to it?
Russ: mostly shock.
Kiri: define shock.
Russ: shock of seeing something of this
nature taking place. What's the......why? I think
thatís a good one.
Russ: the question comes up, why?
Kiri: yeah, Iím just asking for
curiosityís sake, Tia is still working onÖ..poor Tia,
thatís besides the point. Tia has a lot of work.
Skip: that is a good point, why? Why even
consider such a thing?
Kiri: from what I see and Iím going to
sound a little bit like Tia, itís part of the moral
degradation of society, theyíre
becoming more and more common that kind of incident.
Not necessarily at educational facilities but that
kind of relating, going in, shooting up a whole load
of people and taking your own life, kind of like
taking people with you. "I canít have it so nobody
else will. Iíll make sure that X number of people
suffer just as bad as I am.Ē Itís part of the
breakdown, what is to stop that from happening? Well,
as Tia might say, instilling strong moral virtues is
very, very important.
Skip: getting back our moral standardsÖÖ
Skip: is one of the biggest things.
Kiri: yeah you can turn on your
communicationÖÖyour entertainment devices and see
horror and you get numb to it. You see it in your
entertainment, you see it in your newsí, you see it
portrayed as noble, you see it being portrayed right
now going in and inflicting harm on people as being
Kiri: and then in the next breath you see
it as being bad and wrong. One moment they're telling
you about the bombing and the losses in Kosovo and
then the next moment theyíre being shocked and stunned
and horrified that people are killing other people at
Russ: well is it the two events related
as far as the kids who did this from seeing the events
Skip: they were grown, they were grown
Russ: I thought they were students?
Skip: not according to the news report I
Kiri: but you see the problem is that one
moment itís good and then the next moment it's
bad. To take any life or destroy any property
is bad regardless even if the cause is good itís still
bad. There is no right to go in and to destroy
somebody elseís property to enforce your will. Just
because theyíre doing it to their own people doesnít
make it right to come in and do it to them because
theyíre doing it to their own people. And it isnít
right to go in and shoot up a whole load of
schoolchildren, you see what Iím saying?
Kiri: and sorry I do sound very much like
Tia didnít I?
Skip: two wrongs donít make a right.
Russ: hmm, kind of a little similar to
Chronicles as far as the breakdown of society?
Kiri: probably the early stages, the
Skip: our whole world is going that way.
Skip: and thatís what I asked last week
if weíre headed for the same end as Atlantis between
our moral standards and our technology and everything
else, weíre going down the tube.
Kiri: I wouldn't say just Atlantis, I
mean you can look at some of your more recent
historical groups, the Romans, the Greeks, they had
fantastic technologies for the time.
Kiri: the Incas.
Russ: the Egyptians.
Kiri: the Egyptians, the Persians.
Russ: the Mayans.
Kiri: the Mayans, you could sit thereÖÖ
Skip: what I was trying to get across, it
isnít just one nation or one ethnic group, the whole
worldís doing it.
Kiri: unfortunately this time it is.
Skip: and itís getting worse.
Russ: isnít this a step necessary for our
growth for somehow or another and thatís part of it?
Kiri: possibly, possibly, I mean we
could sit here and discuss it until we're
green in the face.
Skip: yeah right and it wonít change
Kiri: maybe it will, maybe it wonít, who
knows? But the thing is that yes, I am a theologist
amongst being a coercer and an engineer, I do like to
debate philosophy. As I get older I get more like my
grandmother believe it or not.
Skip: I think we all do that donít we?
Skip: even in the 3-D because I've gotten
to the point where I donít let too many things bother
Kiri: my grandmother, a lot does bother
her but she has her work.
Kiri: and she looks like a wrinkled prune
Skip: oh well what the heck.
Kiri: hey Iím teasing.
Skip: thatís a badge of miles.
Russ: sheís been through all three of her
Kiri: uh-huh. Yeah, her eyesight's
starting to go unfortunately as well.
Russ: well she doesnít need them that
much around there.
Kiri: no, she knows her way around.
Russ: well and it's not confined to our
Kiri: oh no.
Russ: or our world.
Kiri: nope, just ask Lyka.
Skip: well it scares the hell out of me
I'll tell you the truth.
Kiri: well when you see it yourself it is
different. I mean Iíve never seen any kind of
hostility like that. Iíve seen mock hostility, Iíve
seen Lyka and her soldiers having exercises, Iíve seen
big exercises, Iíve seen small exercises and itís all
fun. They get up afterwards, shake hands, throw
snowballs at each other, throw mud pies at each other,
whatever and itís for them it's part of
their life, they've seen it I havenít. Quick question
Kiri: did you get my email?
Russ: which one? You sent one today?
Kiri: no the one "Freshest Full of fish?"
Russ: yeah I got that one.
Kiri: okay, thatís acceptable and usable?
Kiri: okay, I edited very, very heavily
and for obvious reasons. As I stated, the whole entire
thing could be much, much longer. Even Leahís story
was heavily, heavily edited, I took about six
hours and condensed it down into about yea big. I
think it was less than six hours.
Russ: it was perfect.
Russ: it was perfect.
Kiri: good, good. So you donít mind me
doing the reporter on the spot thing?
Russ: no actually, thatís actually quite
a good, cool bit.
Russ: people enjoy to read more about
stuff than I can tell them from just
words I hear from you guys.
Kiri: uh-huh. So Iím officially the
reporter on the spot?
Russ: oh yeah, I'd like to get
some Hades Base stuff too.
Kiri: oh I was thinking of doing some
Russ: that will work.
Kiri: but some of it canít be printed.
Russ: it good party last night, I suppose
that's a good report.
Kiri: uh-huh, going to put that in. Oh
well, we're eating time.
his normal spot in the order)
Omal: greetings and felicitations.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: greetings Skip, greetings Russ.
Skip: greetings Omal.
Omal: okay, let us briefly go over Kiriís
comments about the situations in Kosovo and in the suburb
of Denver. Kiriís comments on which is correct, which
is right and which is wrong is very correct. She is
showing good aptitude that she is getting more serious
about the discussions that you have in the channeling
sessions. In fact two good weeks was almost a rare
occurrence from Kiri but so far her last
three discussions have been all very good, very deep
and profound, maybe she is starting
to mature. Okay, let us throw the floor open for discussion
do you wish me to pick a topic at random and
we can flog it to death?
Russ: actually I have one question about
Kiriís comments I wanted to get cleared up before I
put it on the webpage. Where she
mentioned talking to people who have been here, Iím
not sure who she's referring to.
Omal: I believe that she was referring to
people that had been present at channeling sessions.
Russ: ahh excellent.
Omal: such as Bethany, Carrie,
Karen, Skip, Laura, Lara, I believe the list is
actually quite large.
Russ: excellent, well Iíll make a
editor's note on that, thank
Omal: okay, do we pick a topic or do we
discuss things at random?
Russ: well one thing I wanted to work on
a little bit was the shooting that did happen in the
suburbs of Denver and the ability of people to snap.
Whereas, as Kiri was saying, thereís a point where the
moral base that people work from in the past has been
stronger than it has been now apparentlyÖ..
Russ: and the ability to snap and just
lose it all in a moment or even pre-plan it for days
or a week seems to have gotten less and less.
Russ: is as she was saying it is
a sign of the times, was it media related perhaps?
Omal: perhaps yes, it is definitely the
moral issue that life has become cheap, that you do
see as Kiri put it so much death and destruction on
your entertainment devices. It has become popular
entertainment to watch people being maimed and killed
whether it is in a pseudo-entertainment world or in
actual fact on your news services.
Omal: pick a movie.
Russ: "Groundhog Day".
Omal: is there somebody killed in that?
Russ: many times.
Skip: yes, yes, yes.
Omal: pick another one.
Omal: are there people being
killed in that?
Russ: yeah, absolutely.
Skip: in what?
Russ: "Fantasia", from Disney.
Omal: I am not familiar with "Fantasia"
nor was I familiar with "Groundhog Day". Okay letís
pick another one.
Russ: go ahead Skip.
Skip: you mean violent ones?
Russ: no just anything.
Skip: well even the cartoons
the kids watch which are what, five
minutes of cartoons or ten minutes? Theyíre
beating up on each other, theyíre killing each other
and everything else.
Omal: so therefore it is a part of
society accepted, most people until recently it seems
to me were aware that that was for
entertainment and it was not real. Now the lines have
become blurred because of your news media showing
people getting shot, blown up, running out of houses
on fire, bombs being dropped, being shot on beaches,
being shot at vacation resorts, at high schools, at
colleges, at universities and they hear all the gory
details and see all the gory details that they become
numb to it so therefore it loses its value as life.
Omal: so it is definitely a sign of the
times, whether or not it is a sign of an end or a
beginning is unknown.
Skip: yeah thatís the mediaís
Omal: I wouldnít say just the media, I
would say it's people in general being
prepared to sit down and see these events
happens. It is a negative side of the technology
Omal: the fact that the morals seem to
have gone by the wayside.
Skip: yeah they have.
Russ: interesting. In dealing with it
then, an individualís morals are what are really
important for now and to pass those onto others that
you deal with.
Skip: but theyíre not being passed on,
thatís the problem.
Russ: well you and I and Mark, we pass
our morals on.
Skip: okay, present company exceptedÖ..
Skip: but the young people growing up,
their folks arenít teaching them the morals like we
Russ: hmm. Omal is this maybe a problem of single
families, or single-parent families perhaps?
Skip: no not really, even double-parent
familiesÖÖsingle-parent families it used to
be that you didnít, you didnít live with another
person unless you were married, now itís an accepted
thing for two people to live together period.
Omal: Skip is quite correct.
Skip: and thatís
the beginning of your breakdown of your
morals right there, thatís the start of it. And
vulgar or cursing language, thereís another problem.
Skip: the parents use it, the kids use it
and it's accepted all over even the
films and movies and it is using the vulgar language
which if we used vulgar language when I was a kid you
your mouth washed out with soap.
Russ: yeah I threatened one of my kids
that was playing games tonight with that so Iím seeing
it more and more.
(from an incident at the cyber
cafe I co-owned at the time)
Skip: yeah you're seeing it all the time
and even in feature films that are
entertainment, the people are using foul language.
They use four letter words like theyíre running
out of style.
Omal: again Skip is quite correct, it is
something that can be changed. If you start at an
early age that you do not use curse words, foul or
abusive language, especially around a
child and an infant,
therefore it teaches even at an early age that it is
wrong. And if you explain later to a child that the
reason that the child mustn't use the language
even at school with the companions of the child is
because the child by not falling
with those word structures becomes superior, becomes
morally better, becomes educationally better, is
looked upon with more respect. At first it will be
looked upon as the child is a wimp but if the child
holds to the patterns laid down by the parent or
parents, then the child becomes morally better and in
later life looked upon and respected as long as the
child also acts with strength. And if the
child is instructed in a way that uses the
childís mind, that it can resort to name-calling so
the other children do not understand that they're
being name-called increases a childís
intellect and also makes a child realize that it can
help it's friends in the same way. One
drop of water can be the drop of water that overflows
Omal: or fills the vessel to full,
whatever you wish to phrase it as but it is important
from the get-go that there is no foul or abusive
Skip: what I keep running into and itís
not my generation but the generation that Mark and
Russ are more or less in which would be what? Two
generations behind me?
Russ: more or less.
Skip: yeahÖÖÖ..is even the ladies that
have children are using foul and abusive language even
around their children.
Omal: which is totally wrong and
Skip: but everybody, I say everybody, Iím
using terminology of what Iíve run into accepts it and
by accepting it they're tearing up their own morals,
their own loyalty, their ownÖÖ..when I was
a kid patriotism and loyalty was something that made
you glow from the inside but there isnít any of that
left anymore. The same with journeyman doing their
job, thereís no craftsmanship left anymore or it seems
not to be okay? In my own personal looking at things,
weíve gotten to a point of where theyíve made this a
Omal: you again are very correct, it is
definitely changing. Whether it is changing for the
better or for the worse is something that
is yet to be seen but, it is definitely the
pangs of a society that is changing. Whether or not
there will be a few voices in the
wilderness such as yourselves that say, ďstop, this is
enough, it must change.Ē The old ways were
probably correct, the new ways are probably incorrect
or correct depending on your point of viewÖ..
Omal: but blending the two together.
Certainly having a higher technology but having the
intelligence to use the technology in such a way that
it benefits all and lays a moral
pathway that is beneficial for all.
Russ: well Skip brings up a good point on
the question of patriotism. It seems now with the
advanced communication abilities of both the media and
the Internet, patriotism seems to have fallen by the
wayside and we seem to be on that road. Now
the question I have is again as you mentioned is it
for the good or for the bad? Now one would say yes
itís for the good because patriotism brings a good
sense of unity to the country youíre in but at
the same time our efforts to change to a more world united
planet would seem be pushing in the direction that
says well maybe patriotism toward a species as us
being humans or a species being involved
with living on one planet might be important for the
Omal: yes but alsoÖÖ..sorry, continue.
Skip: but whatís happening here is thatís
not happening, people are losing patriotism in their
country or their ethnic background or their religion
or whatever or their country but theyíre not replacing
it with the patriotism of earthlings or humans or
whatever. Itís not being replaced, itís just being
Omal: again Skip is very correct, youíre
doing very well tonight as well I might add.
Skip: thank you.
Omal: I believe it was Kiri that was
discussing pride in oneís ethnic group.
Omal: I believe it was
in connection with the comment of arenít you
earthlings after all? And Kiri saidÖÖher answer was well
I am Sirian first but Iím also from the highlands
second. It is good to have pride in your ethnic
Omal: in your ethnic group. So it would
be equally wise and sensible to have pride in the fact
of first of all youíre human but secondly youíre
Omal: and thirdly, you are of Native
American descent or Polish descent or German descent
or Irish or all of the above but you are Americans
secondly and humans first.
Russ: no one seems to be pushing that end
of it though youíre right, no oneís replacing it with
Skip: thatís it exactly.
Russ: I think something should be done,
maybe we should replace it with something.
Omal: maybe the talk here now should be
turned into action. Donít forget, you may be the
little drops that are prelude to the storm, the shower,
the rain cloud burst.
Russ: I absolutely agree, sure.
Skip: I understand.
Russ: I mean what we have at
tools available, quite easy to do actually. It'd take
a long time to get going but time is all
we have left.
Russ: lessons to be learned, itís a good
Russ: I mean some of the groups that have
pushed for something similar, for example Earth First
and Greenpeace, things like that have been pushing
more planet awarenessÖ..
Russ: more global awareness have all gone
about it in a almost terrorist tactic kind of way.
Skip: sometimes they do, yeah.
Omal: but they do not have the structure.
They say weíre all humans, humans first, Earth first
but they do not replace it with or have the structure
to say, ďyes, weíre all humans first but you are
Americans secondly, you are Germans secondly, you are
French secondly, you are whatever country you are
living in secondly. Having pride in that area is just
as important as having pride in the whole entire
planet. After all, if you do not have pride in your
area, how can you have pride for the whole entire
Omal: so by having pride in the fact that
you are Americans, Skip and Russ are Americans
secondly but humans first. But it is just
as important and equally as important to have pride in
both as it is equally important to have a left and a
right, a night and a day, a hot and a cold, they
are the partners to each other. It is the
partnership of Americans second but earthlings first
that is the key. You can say you're all humans first
and if youíre all humans first then you have to have
you are Americans, you are Germans, you are British,
you are French second.
Omal: but in actual fact they are not
second, they're also first but in your analogies and
understanding it is the wording.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Russ: what comes after that? For example
are we then living beings first, earthlings secondÖ.
Omal: (chuckles) let us
take one step at a time.
Skip: in our 3-D society I would say that
earthlings or humans first.....
Skip: and then we're either Americans,
French, German or whatever.
Skip: then our ethnic backgroundÖ..
Omal: is third.
Skip: would be third.
Omal: that is quite correct.
Skip: what I guess irritates me more than
anything else is somebody that comes from a different
country into ours and does nothing but tear it down
and yet continues to stay here and reap the benefits
of what we have put out.
Omal: yes I understand that that would be
Skip: and yet we canít throw them out
just because they have the Second
of our Constitution the freedom of speech.
Skip: not Second, itísÖ.
Omal: it isÖ.
Skip: Second is the right to
Omal: ahh, it is the Fifth Amendment.
Omal: no, the Fifth Amendment is the
refusing to answer any question on the grounds that I
may incriminate myself.
Russ: I thought it was the First
Omal: the First Amendment is freedom of
speech I believe..
Skip: oh okay, all right, I had it messed
Omal: the Fifth Amendment is
I refuse to answer any question on the grounds that I
may incriminate myself.
Skip: right, the Fifth AmendmentÖ..
Omal: which is getting some chuckles up
here by the way.
Skip: and yet people use it.
Omal: yes, people that shouldnít use it
Skip: (chuckles) yeah I know. Youíre
right, the First Amendment is the freedom of speech,
the Second Amendment is the right to bear arms.
Omal: Russ when you come to this part
check and confirm that so there is accuracy.
Russ: okay, I will.
Omal: it is important.
Russ: Iíll do some heavy editing.
Skip: uh-huh, right.
Omal: even if it's necessary to back
and edit and correct.
Skip: I think Iíve got the amendments on
Omal: well there is a mission for you,
type it up on your computer and send it in e-mail form
as well as being able to use your computer as
an experiment. This is a challenge,
to convince at least one person that they're humans
first and American or whatever nationality they are
second but the fact being that both are equal.
Russ: thatís easy for me, Iíve got a
webpage to work with, thatís my next editorial.
Omal: outside of the webpage.
Russ: oh, outside of the webpage.
Omal: correct, convince one person.
Skip: I think what bothers me more than
anything else about patriotism and loyalty is at one
time our flag was very sacred, it didnít
touch the ground, it was put up in daylight and was
taken down at dusk, it was only put up certain
ways. Now people burn it, throw it on the ground,
stomp on it and everything else.
Omal: make clothing out of it.
Skip: yes and itís
very aggravating to me because thatís a symbol of our
Omal: oh thatís quite correct I was
thinking and dwelling for a second there.
Russ: yeah you got me
thinking and dwelling too.
Skip: but that is, thatís just like the
American bald eagle and the American flag,
are symbols of our country and they should be honored
Skip: and they arenít anymore.
Russ: interesting, I got the idea of
an Earth flag that would also instill the benefits of
the different countries.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh. See from
what I understand, the UN is starting to set this
thing up. When this UN, the United Nations was formed,
this is basically what they were trying to do was put
the whole world more or less under one administration
if you want to call it that, just a word okay? But
thatís the way it looked to me like when they first
formed the UN for all these different countries to
come to one place to try to solve the problems of the
world, I think theyíve abused it.
Omal: it is definitely changed from what
it was supposed to be.
Omal: it is now almost to the point of
the League of Nations. Does anybody
remember what happened to the League of Nations?
Russ: yeah, World War I started.
Omal: no, it was created after World War
Russ: oh, World War II then.
Omal: basically yes and it failed,
it failed in its purpose and goal.
Russ: well thereís still problems with
the United Nations the fact that only a few major
countries have veto power......
Skip: that's it exactly.
no matter what everybody else thinks, one country can
say, ďwell, too bad.Ē
Skip: uh-huh and our country, as young as
it is, itís a baby of the world more or less is one of
the greater powers.
Russ: we exercise that
veto power quite a bit.
Skip: and by being a greater power they more or
less stomp on the little people, they
they damn wellÖÖ..
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Omal gets back to business)
Omal: it states,
ďI hold these facts to be evident although the
will of the majority must prevail in all cases,
the will of the minority is also to be taken into
Omal: I believe
that is a quote from.....think it wasÖÖ
Omal: no, itís
one of the early founding fathers and I admit that
I quoted probably a little inaccurately.
Russ: ďwe hold
these truths to be self-evident that all men are
Omal: etc., etc.,
"although the will of the majority must prevail in
all cases, the minority etc.", something else for
you to edit and look up, but that is not practiced
in the United Nations. The country that preaches
it the most does not practice it in the United
Skip: no because
they have too much power.
Omal: correct, it
is unfortunately, should be one vote one country.
Skip: yeah but it
Omal: that is
correct. Okay, it is time for me to depart.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: you are
welcome. Live long, prosper and, Iíll be back.
(Ed. note- the
exact quote Omal referenced is: "All, too, will
bear in mind this sacred principle, that though
the will of the majority is in all cases to
prevail, that will to be rightful must be
reasonable; that the minority possess their equal
rights, which equal law must protect, and to
violate would be oppression."
Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, 1801)
(Kiri is back as
Lyka prepares to channel)
Skip: some food
for thought tonight.
Skip: but it has,
Russ: hi dear.
and loyalty has gone down the tube.
Kiri: I think he
did that very well.
Skip: whatís the
Kiri: Omal, he
did very well.
Skip: heís pretty
Kiri: yeah heís
Kiri: so sharp he
could cut himself.
Skip: but we got
off on a tangent tonight.
Kiri: no I think
he probably manipulated the conversation actually.
Kiri: Omal did.
Russ: not the
wrong tangent at all, I think weíre right on the
exact same thing where we started with Kiri.
Skip: yeah, yeah,
Kiri: uh-huh. So
I have had three good weeks.
Skip: oh yeah?
Russ: of course
Iíll have to do something about that.
Russ: I donít
doing just fine.
Russ: yes you
Kiri: you want me
to take Markís underwear off and put them on his
Russ: does Mark
want you to take his underwear off and put them on
his head is a better question?
(Skip laughs out
Kiri: sorry, run
that by me again?
Russ: does Mark
want you to take his underwear off and put them on
Skip: and no, no.
Kiri: better not.
Kiri: hey, Iíve
got to have my fun.
Skip: I know.
Kiri: okay, I
think Iíve been given the job as ring mistressÖ..
Kiri: itís been
thrust upon me.
Russ: looks like
you been doing it quite well.
Kiri: apart from
I get fidgety. Okay, notice Iím using Tiaís format
Russ: yeah, itís
working quite well.
Kiri: uh-huh, it
(Lyka gets in her time
channeling to us)
Skip: hi sweetie.
Lyka: hey, howís
Skip: good, how
Lyka: Iím doing
good, much better than last week, much better than
Russ: well yeah,
you sound a little less dragging.
Lyka: uh-huh, I'm
more lucid and aware of my faculties, I will make
myself available to discuss.
Skip: okay, can I
you ask you a question?
Lyka: yeah sure.
Skip: in your few
Skip: have you
seen the disintegration of a society like is
happening in our 3-D world?
Lyka: Iíve seen
far worse, Iíve seen far, far worse.
Skip: no what Iím
trying to get at is, I believe in my own mind that
ours is just starting.
Lyka: I would say
from what I have been able to see and from what
Iíve heard and what I have been having access to,
I would say yes you are just starting, Iíve seen
far, far worse.
Skip: well, that
comes with being a soldier.
Lyka: uh-huh, we
have a job to do, we took an oath, we took an
Skip: youíve got
a job to perform, no matter which side youíre on,
you still have a job to do.
Skip: when you
swear an allegiance or take an oathÖ..
Skip: but that
would be a UN force would be Oath Keepers.
Lyka: in essence
yes we are like your United Nations. Iím not that
familiar with it so Iím not going to say what I
think I know about it but itís probably totally
inaccurate but our purpose is to go in and make
sure that the world survives. We took an oath
thousands of years ago as a group of people from
Sirius to defend the sister worlds, to protect
them from any harm that may befall them. When we
join and we finish our training, we take that
exact same oath and part of the oath is that if by
losing our lives we can save or protect or aid in
the advancement of the sister worlds, then we die
with immunity, we cease to be for the fulfillment
of our oaths.
Lyka: you see
oaths are very important regardless of what
dimension you are on. If you give your oath, your
word, your honor, nothing else matters.
Skip: see thatís
something that's fallen by the wayside in this
Lyka: if I stand
up and say, ďI promise, I swear I will do itĒ, I
have to do it regardless of what it is, even if it
means my destruction, even if it means that I
cease to be in this physical form, even if it
affects the life of my child I have to fulfill
that oath. I promise, I swear, I oblige myself, my
freedom is now gone, I have willingly given up
that freedom to fulfill an oath. It's not for
everybody, itís definitely not for everybody. I
can think of numerous people that the mere concept
of losing their freedom would be more horrific
than losing an arm or a leg but it is something
that is very, very important. Oaths are something
that are necessary to be fulfilled.
Russ: it seems
like thatís one of those things that would help
you through the sixth dimension though.
the commitment that youíre making as far as
dedicating your life to protecting people you
Russ: itís a
concept as Skip said thatís fallen by the wayside
Skip: yes it has.
Lyka: itís a very
important one, to have thatÖ..
Skip: in fact a
personís word in this time and era on this planet
has got to the point of where itís almost
Lyka: it means
Skip: you have to
have it in writingÖ..
Skip: or itís no
Lyka: uh-huh but
with us it is who you are. If you give an oath,
even those people that are very much opposed to
giving a promise or an oath, they will fulfill it.
They have to promise they will fulfill that
promise and that obligation even to the point of
if it costs them dearly and it is something that
is very, very important. An oath is more important
than anything else. Even the life of yourself, my
unborn child, my bond mate, my friends, my
comrades, itís more important than that.
Skip: yeah it is
because your word is you.
itís who I am and as the Oath Keeper, I cannot say
I promise to do something, I cannot say I swear
Iíll do something because Iím already taken.
Lyka: Iíve given
my solemn word, I have taken an oath and that has
precedent above all else. I cannot give another
oath, I cannot give another promise until my oath
is expired and I took an oath for no less than 300
cycles, 300 years. I have the opportunity to renew
at the end of the time but 300 years is a long
Skip: yes it is.
Lyka: and the sad
thing is that not many Oath Keepers see that, we
have a very high rate of oath keepers that fulfill
their oaths prematurely.
Lyka: and thereís
also a lot of Oath Keepers that continue after the
300 years, they renew, re-up their oath for
another 100 years or 200 years or 300 years.
Russ: does it
make it any easier to keep fulfilling these oaths
when you do see what you do see with the worlds
you to go to?
itís very, very hard.
Russ: isnít there
also besides the
Oath Keepers, is there a diplomatic side?
Lyka: no, they
have to work out that themselves.
Russ: now what
about planets that actually have a belief in
Ashtar Command and an understanding of them, of
Lyka: very few
weíre not part of Ashtar Command.
Russ: oh youíre
Russ: you're part
Lyka: correct. So
itís irrelevant whether or not they have a belief
in Ashtar Command, those worlds that do arenít a
Skip: oh golly.
Russ: so how is
it with your limited, lighter duties now?
Lyka: my duties
arenít that lighter, the only thing that Iím not
allowed to do is to go on exercise or to
participate in combative sports.
Lyka: and I
really donít feel like running so that pretty much
means allís I do is walk and sit behind my desk,
make my inspections and study. In fact not being
able to exercise or participate in combative
sports is leaving me to catch up with some
interesting studies that Iíve always had
working very hard on that and my maths is
glad to hear it.
Lyka: I didnít
know that you could, if youíre launching a
long-range ballistic missile, use the rotation of
the planet to give it that extra kick.
Lyka: I didnít
Russ: that makes
two of us.
theyíve always done that.
Lyka: it depends
also on the location that youíre firing from.
example, if the planet is spinning this way and
you launch your missile right? As it spins away it
means that you use less fuel to launch it because
the planet is turning away from it as itís already
entering its trajectory which means that you use
less fuel and you can make it travel further if
you take have the exact same amount of fuel and
you can get to the target quicker.
Skip: itís what
they talk aboutÖÖhave you ever heard them about
Skip: thatís what
theyíre talking about.
Lyka: isnít there
some kind of computer system?
Skip: no, no, no,
yeah, yeah it is now but I mean Iím talking about
flight control windows.
Skip: they can go
through windows, you donít have as much friction
on account of the rotation of the planet and if
you hit the window correctly, it gives you that
Skip: same thing
coming back in.
actually studying at the moment the long-range
projectile interplanetary. For example, attacking
a planet that is quite some way away, getting into
the real heavy maths.
Skip: we haven't
quite progressed that far yet.
Russ: well weíve
landed on the moon and weíre landing them on Mars
so weíre way progressed that far.
Lyka: well youíre
talking if you hit within 20 miles of the target
youíre doing good, Iím talking within one or two
units over such a great distance.
Lyka: oh itís a
lot of fun too. Iím also currently studying some
interesting battlefield strategies from
theÖÖÖnevermind, I can't go into details as I was
about to start blabbing about Sirian battle
tactics but I canít, canít discuss that.
Skip: you might
study some of our ancient generals too.
Lyka: I have,
Hadrian, Caesar, RamsesÖ.
Skip: some of
them were pretty sharp.
Alexander, Napoleon, Rommel, oh I can sit here and
go on naming generals. I can discuss the
Carthaginian wars which I've studied, Macedonian
wars I could talk about, Philip the Second of
Macedonia. Do you know who Philip of Macedonia
Lyka: do you know
who he was father of?
Skip: who he was
Russ: hmm, I did
Lyka: uh-huh, I
can sit and pontificate all day about battles. I
can talk about...ÖI canít remember the location
but it is a
famous battle with Ramses the Second andÖ..I
forget but it was something like fourteen
something against think it was the Hittites or
somewhere in that area where he got ahead of his
main force and heís got a small patrol with
himÖÖ..well not a small patrol but I think it was
like one third of his army and he was attacked by
the Hittites, what he thought was a small patrol
turned out to be their whole entire army and his
bravery and audacity saved a possible massive
defeat and his own life, turned it into what the
Egyptians claimed was a victory. In actual fact it
was a stalemate.
Russ: well you
had a lot of fun.
Lyka: oh yeah,
studied that battle and realized that a lot of it
was luck, a lot of it was luck.
Russ: a lot of
battles are luck.
rain or air cover or whatever.
Lyka: maybe on
your planet they're luck, we haveÖ..ÖÖbut put it
this way as a student when I play a wargame, I
have to have at least six possible strategies for
each possible scenario. And in a wargame it wonít
be one scenario, they will have as many as 12
different scenarios that can phase in at any time
and Iíve got to have them in writing plus
Lyka: oh it is
heavy, gives me headaches. Iíve only actually ever
won one wargame and I've played a lot. Iíve had
quite a few stalemates but Iíve only ever won one
so Iím not the best student in the world in fact
actually in my class Iím probably in the bottom
15, but I try. But you have a famous general that
was actually I think like the bottom of his class
that went on to become quite famous but should
never have been famous, he was foolish and stupid.
Lyka: no Custer.
Russ: oh Custer.
Lyka: uh-huh. In
fact I was studying his famous Battle of Little
Bighorn, do you know how lucky he was not to lose
his whole entire force?
Russ: I thought
he did lose his whole entire force.
Lyka: no he
didnít lose his whole entire command.
Skip: he lost one
third of it.
Skip: sorry, I
didnít mean to jump in there.
Lyka: oh thatís
quite all right. Captain Reno was wise in
hunkering down but also remiss in his duty and his
oath, he failed to fulfill his oath and duties.
Russ: what, back
up his commanding officer?
Lyka: that was
very foolish and remiss. Okay, Iíve got to depart,
I need to take care of a few things and Kiriís
goingÖÖoh she's going bye, okay bye.
Skip: thank you
Russ: take care.
(Kiri returns to usher in her sister)
Russ: hi Kiri.
Kiri: yo, okay
how much time do we have left on the recording?
Russ: oh we've
got time for one more.
gives us some advice in child rearing)
Russ: howís it
Karra: itís going
Russ: good to
Okay, where were we?
Skip: who is it?
Skip: oh Karra.
Karra: yes. Where
were we? Oh yes okay, we were working on education
Karra: okay, you
have some questions.
Russ: ahh yes
actually on the education of small onesÖÖ
Russ: to get a
good start especially in the psychic fields
besides just the academic stuff.......
Russ: but being
able to work with them in improving their gifts.
We donít have set doctrine down here for thatÖÖ
accepted anyway. And so working on our own, what
would be some good techniques for teaching the
young from a very young age?
Karra: well first
of all you teach them by example, you show them
what could be done. For example, we have a current
problem with gas amongst other things. Okay what
you do is you place your hands on the stomach
right? And then rub gently and talk and use your
voice. Remember that you have to speak in a soft,
soothing tone but speak as if youíre speaking to
an adult, not as if you are talking to an
inanimate object of doing the coochy-coo, raising
the octaves of the voice and behaving in a manner
that is foolish because by doing that, the child
perceives that as a way to respond. By a person
talking in a silly high-pitched tone, the child
thinks that that is correct instead of learning
that people talk in a particular way. You can talk
in a soft, soothing tone telling the child that it
will feel better and the energy flowing into its
stomach will calm the gases that are bubbling.
Word it in a way that is soft and soothing and the
tone in the voice will get the attention and the
child focused. And what you're doing is being
very, very open, you are using your voice which is
a tool of healing, youíre using your hands which
are a tool of healing and you are showing by doing
that action that you can heal. The energy flow
coming from the hands flows into the stomach, the
child feels that. So by creating the three events,
the soothing tone, the soothing action of the hand
and the energy flow, you are healing and showing
how to heal.
Karra: as the
child ages and progresses, what you do is you take
the hand if it is suffering from gas again and you
do the circular motion and you send your energy
into your hand that has their wrist and you flow
it into their wrist and you flow it in with the
correct flow that it flows into their hand and it
pulls their energy in.
Karra: now with
other abilities, what you do is you sit the child
down and at a infant age you sit with the child in
your lap or in your arms and you meditate. But you
meditate.......you generate the field around you
of sincerity, of harmony and relaxation. There
must be at the time no external distractions. As
you meditate, you could rock your arms, the child
may even fall asleep but in your meditative state
you project let us say you are working on
manifestation, images, the child in its relaxed
state and very open state at an infant stage will
pick up on those thoughts so therefore you start
the learning process and the teaching process. As
the child gets older, you take a moment, first of
all five minutes and the child sits down and
learns to be patient then for five minutes it sits
and meditates. At the end of the five minutes it,
for example if again weíre working on
manifestation, draws what it has seen. As a child
gets older the time increments are increased and
you use things like Playdo to build as a child
gets older what itís seen. So in time you are
using the manifestation even though the child is
manifesting with the hands objects by building or
drawing or writing, you are increasing its
manifestation capability. As a child gets older
and the linguistic ability improves and the
cognitive thought process improves, you use all
three. One day you would draw, the following day
you may create with Playdo and the following day
you write, describe and you, especially with the
writing, you keep the writing so that you can
review and see what the improvements are. Now with
astral travel, what has been done in the past is
first of all the relaxation technique, very
similar to the manifestation technique, sit down,
relax for five minutes and dwell within oneself
but, as a child grows older, you take the child
and you have little gifts that the child must look
for in the astral form and when the child locates
it in the astral form and the child only gets one
opportunity, the child will go and get the object.
If it is up high where the child cannot reach
which is the best bet, then the child takes you by
the hand, leads you to let us say it is a $.25
piece and you have put it on top of the bookcase,
takes you by the hand, takes you to the bookcase,
pick the child up, the child reaches up and tells
you if it's in a corner, if it's on top,
whereabouts on top, it has to reach up and put its
hand and take it. It can feel around but once you
take it to where it has to go, even if it is
checking the wrong end, then accuracy is
what about telepathy?
okay telepathy, that again is done when you
meditate and start off with the child in the
infant level in your arms. You can talk to the
child, at first it's not going to listen because
itís not going to to recognize but it is important
to talk in a soothing tone in your mind telling
the child how strong itís going to be, where itís
going. As the child gets older and itís always
important never to talk in a childlike way to a
child because if you talk in a childlike way it
will mimic, it will copy, it must be as an adult
to a younger person, patiently, intelligently
because if you talk in a childlike way, then
thatís what it's going learn to behave like and
thatís going to stay with it throughout its life.
Weíve seen many examples of that.
Russ: hmmm all
right, so I guess the other, only other ability we
havenít covered is psychokinesis.
psychokinesis is a very tricky field, very tricky
and I donít think that itís something that we need
to worry about at this time.
Russ: all right.
Karra: okay? And
coercion, Iím not going to touch because thatís
Kiriís field of expertise and if I say something
sheís libel to turn around and if I say something
wrong sheís libel to butt in and we donít want
that right now.
Russ: all right,
weíll save that for next week with her and weíll
see what happens but that's something that has to
be handled very gently anyway.
Karra: oh very
children have their own ability at coercion to
start with as it is.
and Skipís been very quiet.
Skip: Iím just
Skip: I learn
more that way.
Karra: yeah, it
is always wise to listen. Treebeard was listening,
heís now sitting very upright with his back to a
very large bamboo plant and his mouth is wide open
and I believe he is in a state of dormancy.
Russ: well, heís
communing with nature.
Karra: yes in a
vocal way, theÖ..(starts snoring)
Russ: all right,
well lots of good things to start working with
Russ: and itís
good for the webpage tooÖ.
Russ: people, no
matter how old you are, there are always important
things you can learn from that.
Karra: well I
believe that that little dissertation should go in
the how-to section.
young ones, absolutely.
What we can do is we can takeÖÖnext week we will
start off with healing for children.
Karra: and we
will start off with one week to one year and then
we will do one year to three years and then we
will do three years to six years and by that point
it then becomes a matter of practice and learning
more about anatomy, learning more about energy
flows. And then by six years should have the
basics to be able heal not everything but to be
able to know what to do in certain situations and
then it becomes a matter of learning well,
physiology so that you know to apply pressure in a
certain place to create a certain amount of
healing or pain or certain situations.
thank you. That will work.
Karra: but the
early stages are definitely the most important
because you are instilling a belief factor at that
point. A lot of the problems that Iíve seen with
people that have attended channeling sessions is
disbelief that it can be done, it can be healed.
Russ: true, well
everyoneís on a path....
Russ: some people
just take longer to get along the path.
Karra: but some
just get stuck and donít proceedÖ..
Karra: but that
is their learning lesson. I know what youíre
saying because I can see it in your mind.
Karra: but Iím
also saying that yes it is happening right in this
room, the increase in room temperatures, the
decrease in room temperatures, they're all why?
Instead of saying, ďwell something happened, I
donít understand it so therefore it didnít
happenĒ, even though you have the physical
evidence for example the headache or the feeling
of the euphoria of the feeling of suddenly going
from very tired to energized, those are examples.
Russ: but all can
be explained away.
innumerable ways anything can be explained away.
Skip: yeah it
can but with the information that you have, for
example, you come into a room, you sit down,
youíre listening to a very dull and boring
conversation in your perception for example
Treebeard, the next person comes on and really
doesnít hold your interest but yet all of a sudden
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