(The Baron is back as
The Baron: guten abend mein herr, mein herr. Okay,
we are going to get down to business as soon as we
are fully ready. We have a few things I’ve never
been done before so we will do those things when
they are ready. In the meantime we are speaking ja?
The Baron: so I answer questions ja?
The Baron: you ask question about going home?
The Baron: ja, as I say, I go home and see my great,
great, what you say?
The Baron: grandson? Who being only male child of my
family that still alive but he have bond mate who is
being of ready to birth?
Russ: oh excellent, so you’ll have another great,
The Baron: ja I hope so, I have a few great
granddaughters and granddaughter and daughter. My
daughter being honorable pilot?
Skip: oh that’s super.
The Baron: but pay very dearly and not be able to
fly again and not able walk, talk only, see through
one eye. No artificial eye, too much ja?
The Baron: so she pretty bad but treated with lots
of……what you say?
The Baron: ja but also no. I not know word.
Skip: talking about bionetics?
The Baron: no, no she no have……too much damage.
Skip: oh okay.
The Baron: part of side of head gone with implant so
she no able fly or take artificial……..artificial ja?
The Baron ja.
Skip: ahhh okay, all right I got you.
The Baron: so she……
Skip: too much damage.
The Baron: ja, very much damage.
The Baron: but very brave, I think highly of her.
Skip: sounds like it, sounds like it.
The Baron: ja, she only child left…….
Skip: excuse me.
The Baron: ja?
Skip: in other words you’ve got a lot of family that
love you very dearly.
The Baron: not seen many of them in long time.
Skip: that’s okay, they still love you.
The Baron: ja but I old, I have few problems that
need……..but I no talk, it’s not good ja?
Russ: uh-huh. Anyway I have a question for you….
The Baron: ja.
Russ: I’m editing a tape right now that’s going to
be going on the webpage soon……
The Baron: what is word?
Russ: webpage, the information on the Internet that
we put for Hades Base….
The Baron: ja?
Russ: that I edit?
The Baron: uh-huh.
Russ: and I’m editing the tape and it was a time
when an entity named Monka was talking? Perhaps you
The Baron: ja I know Monka, I know Monka for many of
your planet's cycle. I fly escort when very young.
Russ: okay excellent. He was talking about in fact a
person who has implants or cyborgs……
The Baron: uh-huh.
Russ: and he was saying how…
The Baron: what is cyborg?
Russ: cyborg is half man, half machine?
The Baron: ahh.
Russ: he said that the implants start to affect a
person as far as their thinking because they start
thinking more like a machine but he was dealing with
people down here that that’s going on where he says
that has to be watched very carefully.
The Baron: ja, ja a long time ago when we first
start doing implants we have many, many problems.
Russ: oh really?
The Baron: we do many more than just implant,
improve on visual, auditory, muscular reactions so I
think Monka mean more of person being more machine
than just implant.
Russ: oh okay.
The Baron: but when we have early implants, persons
get very………..what is word? Mentally unbalanced.
Russ: oh wow.
The Baron: but much research we overcome that but I
Russ: yeah, you know little of it.
The Baron: ja.
Russ: uh-huh. Opps, my tea's ready, I’ll be back in
The Baron: we talk, okay?
Skip: yes definitely, definitely.
The Baron: you ask question, I answer or not as
Skip: I owe you an apology young man.
The Baron: what for?
Skip: I kind of got on your case last week and that
wasn’t my place to do that.
The Baron: we all do things we regret. If I get on
Skip: it’s your right.
The Baron: ja.
Skip: but is wasn’t my right to get after you.
The Baron: nein, nein, it was your right. You look
from angle that is…..what is word?
Skip: more or less your situation.
The Baron: ja.
The Baron: but you no have so long in high……..what
is word? Stress......
The Baron: very high stress.
The Baron: all life I fly, I fight, I see many die
around me, many like daughter beyond repair?
The Baron: so I understand.
Skip: it still wasn’t my place to do that to you.
The Baron: hey, forgiven.
Skip: thank you.
Russ: now I have a very Sirius question.
The Baron: Sirius, planet no?
Russ: yep Sirius, the planet.
The Baron: ahh, no planet, star.
Russ: star, quite correct.
The Baron: ja, solar disk.
Russ: uh-huh. The gentleman who caused so much
problem on Sirius in its early histories…….
The Baron: uh-huh.
Russ: I can’t remember who………..Tonar, I don’t know
if you've ever heard of him, Tonar?
The Baron: nein.
Russ: no? Okay…
The Baron: but Mdm. Ambassador look up from what she
Russ: oh excellent, I’m sure that brought up some
kind of response.
The Baron: ja.
Russ: anyway I’m studying also on the early history
of Germany and the Second World War……
The Baron: uh-huh.
Russ: the one after Baron Von Richthofen flew.
The Baron: ja.
Russ: and I’m wondering if it’s possible for someone
such as a gentleman who was so corrupt and depraved
as Tonar was to make a transition from one planet to
another and be reincarnated on this planet.
The Baron: I think possible but I no, no understand.
Know question but no understand for I not know how.
How.......what is word you say?
The Baron: nein, nein, I know what reincarnation.
Russ: ahh, well it was let’s see, corrupt,
The Baron: ja, depraved.
The Baron: I am not knowing, I do not know how he
was…..what’s his name?
The Baron: Tonar, I know not but response from Madam
Ambassador, technician, Treebeard, all look up and
go……so I think very much….
Russ: okay, so that’s a negative.
Skip: yeah right. Okay, I see where you was going
with that, I really did.
The Baron: ja.
Skip: in another words, reincarnated himself into
Skip: it’s feasible.
Russ: well he was, Adolf Hitler was a big studier,
real fan of Wagner.
The Baron: oh ja. Okay we are set for trying new
Russ: oh good, we’re all set.
The Baron: so we are ready so I put body in right
position, I put hand back so when I come back it no
strain host body…..buddy.
The Baron: please correct me when I mix words up.
The Baron: danka.
(Tia presents a report on earth
via a holo-disc)
Tia: okay, let me get down to business as I have
limited disc space and I will start by going over
certain environmental factors that are going on. We
will start off with the increasing activities in the
global patterns in the weather systems. There have
been numerous storms that recently hit various
coastlines and various places on your continental
USA. As I’ve stated in the past and many times prior
that the effects that are being claimed on global
warming are erroneous. These are natural effects, it
is just that the timescale that your planet is so
used to working on is so wide and these global
climate changes can happen very, very fast. These
are perfectly normal phenomenon from torrential
rains in Texas to extremely torrential rains in
places such as Honduras, Nicaragua and Belize to
extreme dry spells again in Texas and other
locations. The fact that this is going to be blamed
upon global warming is something that needs to be
warned about in advance. I know this is going to get
up a lot of people and a lot of people will get
upset on my claims. These are not claims, these are
facts. If you look at your fossil record and tree
rings and ice core samples you will see that global
changes can and do happen very, very rapidly. Moving
along to my next favorite topic, the economic and
fiscal oscillations of your stock market. Okay a
while back I predicted that it may possibly return
back and be above 9,000. We have passed a crucial
point, the month of October is normally a very
unstable month where in the past, vast stock market
crashes have occurred. This was a critical time to
watch and it will be again in the next month of
October and the one after that. The reasons being is
that on your planet they go a lot on tradition on
what has happened in the past will happen again in a
cyclical motion. So it is again something that is
worth stating that your market is in a state of flux
and volatility as has been seen in the last couple
days. With these stock market activities on a
worldwide scale and the fact that donations are
being made in the auspices of loans to such
countries as the former Soviet Union to help balance
and aid their fiscal problems and the fact that
gifts are being given again stated as loans such as
grain shipments is also something that is of worry.
Now moving along to another topic and that is the
house elections and the supposed defeat of the
Republicans. This is baloney. They weren't defeated,
certainly they lost a few seats but they weren't
defeated. They did not lose control of the house, if
that is a defeat and they're still the majority then
I’m confused, very confused but that’s not the
point. The point is that the Republican Party is in
disarray. They are behaving and I will quote, “in a
cannibalistic fashion by eating their own”. Now why
would they do such a thing? Well, obviously they
have no plan or agenda or a concrete plan and
agenda. When they did so well, they had the contract
with America, after that they had nothing so
therefore they basically reaped what they sowed.
Okay, I’m done.
(Tia exits after saying goodbye in Durondedunn)
(The Baron is back to get us to Karra)
The Baron: I no speak what Tia speak?
The Baron: yeah I no understand what she say. I wish
that she speak English at end. Okay we move along, I
pause and answer questions ja? Any more questions?
Russ: not right now.
Skip: not right now, thank you.
The Baron: ahhh, I understand perfectly but I make
joke for you.
The Baron: it is being said that those with German
no have humor?
The Baron: I not being German but speak Deutsche and
I think I play part ja?
The Baron: okay I be putting on next person, danke
Skip: thank you.
(Karra is on for part one of
her two times channeling)
Russ: hello sweetheart.
Karra: okay I’m told to split myself in two that I
will do a part now and then a part later if we have
Skip: oh okay.
Skip: that’s fine.
Karra: first of all I will answer questions.
Russ: all right love, relating to Tia’s
dissertation, working on the hurricane down in South
America or the storms in South America I should say
that caused so much damage.........
Karra: there haven’t been any storms down in South
Russ: no Mitch, hurricane
Mitch? Oh wait it was……
Karra: Central America hon.
Russ: Central America sorry.
Russ: right. I got an email from a gentleman who was
curious about the ramifications of this from a
Ashtar Command point of view or at least Hades Base
point of view since this would be the same thing
Karra: well there’s not much that we can do to aid
as much as we would like to. All's we can do is
observe and watch and analyze. It certainly is a
very, very sad of state of affairs but I think that
dovetails with Tia’s comments about the fact that
the global changes on the weather front?
Karra: little play on words there……..it's a good
example. Your planet really doesn’t know what
changes are natural and not natural. They can
certainly speculate but Tia pointed out very
accurately that the changes can happen very fast.
Russ: uh-huh. Are there any outside effects that
could be causing this though or is this just a
natural effect of what happens? For example like say
the photon cloud or…..
Karra: no not really, the photon cloud is not
normally such a strong effect on the planet scale,
it’s more of a spiritual kind of effect. Certainly
it can increase weather pressures but to that
extent......what's it? Was it class five?
Karra: to that extent, I don’t think so. The only
thing that I would see would be an increase in
frequencies of storms and not so much the severity.
Russ: okay. How about anything to do with say for
example magnetic changes in the earth’s core…..
Karra: well your magnetic changes are a normal
fluctuation, the fluctuations that your planet goes
through are perfectly normal and natural.
Russ: hmm okay. Skip?
Skip: darling is it true that the axis of this
planet is continuing to drift more and more?
Karra: I’m not quite sure what you mean.
Skip: well it’s 20……..what’s it? 21° off center
Skip: and it’s supposedly by some people’s
calculations continuing to tip further and further
Karra: no I don’t think so. There is a certain
amount of truth to it that if you look at your
planet, the axis, it does wobble and it will
increase and it will decrease. To say 21° is an
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Karra: it can be anywhere from 28 to 17°.
Karra: so certainly yes people are correct when they
say that it does slide but if you were to think
about it, let’s say that it was to tip all the way
over so that they went from let’s say it was at zero
and it rotated to 180 right? That means that the top
part would get all the sunlight and the bottom part
wouldn't get any sunlight. If you look at your
archaeological records you will see no sign of that
Skip: okay, okay because that stuck in my mind from
when I was going to school, of course times have
Skip: so has technology.
Karra: but the crust will slip and slide.
Skip: well that’s because it’s made out of plates.
Karra: yeah and it is possible that it could slip
quite considerably but the axis will stay in the
Skip: okay, all right that answered my question
Karra: but if you look at it kind of let’s say
Antarctica and the South pole as the point, if that
slips then it looks like the South pole has shifted
when in actual fact it stays in the exact same
Karra: within the normal wobble of your planet.
Skip: okay, all right. Because I remember that from
school when they was talking about it. It’s the same
people that have said that the warming of the planet
is happening, in other words the alarmists.
Skip: okay? The alarmists.
Karra: it is quite possible that your planet is
warming but as Tia said it’s perfectly natural.
Russ: now is it possible, because I know you guys
have studied our planet for long time.......
Russ: that the wobble occurred due to the comet hit
that wiped out the dinosaurs?
Karra: it’s possible, it's possible. You’re talking
about something that happened before we were here.
Karra: we haven’t been watching that long. What’s it
about 3 million years ago? Not three, 300 million
Karra: a little bit before our time.
Skip: okay question on something like that, wouldn’t
the gyro centrifugal force of this planet settle it
back down after something struck it?
Karra: yes, I would say it would but I’m making a
Skip: I mean that would make sense.
Skip: that would be the law of physics really.
Karra: yes, I mean there is a certain amount of
wobble if you watch a gyroscope…...
Skip: still left.
Karra: yeah but I think it is part of the natural
phenomenon, your planet has been struck and hit so
many times that it’s really hard to say.
Russ: interesting. Okay so then one more thing on
Karra: cheerful subject huh?
Russ: cheerful indeed. The long-term economic and
physical effects in the Central American region
where this storm hit, any projections that you can
offer off the top of your head dear?
Karra: banana prices will go up.
Russ: yeah I can imagine that would be true.
Karra: uh-huh. Probably quite a few of the products
that come from that area the prices will go up.
Skip: yeah, because of supply and demand.
Karra: it depends how much aid is sent. When you
have an area that is focused on so few crops that
are so easy to damage then you’ve got the problems.
They don’t have the diverseability to chop and
change from one product to another so there’s
definitely severe problems there.
Skip: well isn't our coffee from there?
Karra: I think that’s farther South I believe.
Skip: it's what?
Russ: it's a little further South, Colombia….
Karra: Columbia, Bolivia…..
Russ: hmm, interesting.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, I’ll be back.
(The Baron keeps us on track)
The Baron: okay I am being splitting Madam
Ambassador for reason that she have herb.......herbs
to talk about?
Russ: oh yes.
The Baron: and also the fact that we have next
speaker may be……..what is word? Word being talking a
lot? And thinking deep.
The Baron: okay I am going so we put on your
The Baron: one you think not focused but very
The Baron: danka.
(Treebeard gets us to the end
of side one)
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: greetings Russ.
Russ: I'd like to introduce Skip.
Treebeard: greetings Skip. You have like Russ, you
have shortened name?
Russ: uh-huh, nickname.
The Baron: ahhh, like I have nickname also.
Skip: it’s not my proper name.
Treebeard: Treebeard is not mine either.
Skip: there you go.
Treebeard: okay I suppose I should answer your
question Russ should I not?
Treebeard: your question was…..
Russ: on the sentience of plants.
Treebeard: we did answer that one.
Russ: oh that’s right, this is the one afterwards.
Treebeard: okay as you cannot remember I will
answer. In developing a higher understanding of the
interaction with the harmony of the land being the
rocks, the trees, the birds, the beings in the
water, it is intertwined in such a way that we are
being connected with all. If you look at the great
trees and their root systems, the way that they
probe deep within the land and connect with the
land. There is a variety of tree that sends out many
roots and from those roots will sprout forth younger
trees out of the ground as if from seeds.
Treebeard: these continue and propagate over a wide
area through one of these methods. The disbursement
of their pods are being for wider disbursement, more
for peripheral branches that have come above the
ground. In looking at the nature of this plant, it
is similar to your species on how it is weaved close
together but spreads out from a central source. In
observing the growth patterns of certain species of
trees you will notice similarities in the behavioral
patterns of your species and in the way that it
develops its branching characteristics from a
central source. If you were to look at other species
of tree in your tropics, you will see that they send
out above ground roots that tap into the ground and
spread the tree in a similar way so that you have an
immense tree. I see that I am being long-winded.
Russ: no not at all.
Treebeard: okay I answer, you ask.
Russ: okay, I saw an example of the last tree you
mentioned down in Mexico, southern Mexico where I
was just at and they’re called a mango…..and the
tree…..or a mangrove……and the tree came out,
stretched all the way to the ground in parts off of
its trunk and big separate trunks came down to the
ground and came into the ground and actually the
tree would actually spread out as if it is on
(Ed. note: the tree in question was actually a banyan
Russ: a trunk will be held up by 4 or 5 pillars all
the way across and it was just a huge, beautiful
Russ: but the question I have is concerning our
species being related to a tree and how it branches
out from a central source.
Russ: would the central source that you were
mentioning then be the primates of our planet then?
Treebeard: yes, I would think that that would go
without saying that the original individuals would
be the original trunk and then all the myriad of
other little trunks and branches being representing
of moving to different locations migrating from the
Treebeard: sorry, migrating is wrong word, migrating
means to go from one point to another and then back
again from that point back to the same point going
backwards and forwards between two points is that
Treebeard: a better word be immigrate?
Russ: uh-huh, much better. Okay, I'll wait on the
next question, Skip?
Skip: no, I’m just listening.
Russ: okay, the other question I have was our
species, if it goes back before the primates, goes
to the almost the single cell amoebas of early,
Russ: and that would more properly be linked to our
trunk then as far as the roots I would assume then.
Treebeard: it depends on how far you wish to take
Russ: hmm. Well the reason I say so is because that
would put us more in touch with our planet.
Treebeard: yes but to think that you are not part of
your planet as I said last time is wrong.
Treebeard: to think that you are not natural as I
said is very wrong.
Treebeard: and in a court of discussion on theology,
it would be conceived as condescending for your
species to say that it is outside of the laws that
Treebeard: or any species it would be wrong for them
to say such a thing.
Russ: I see. So our living in harmony with our
planet is something that we must come together on as
a planetary people, not as individual states and
Treebeard: yes and no. Individual states and
countries and counties and cities can work
individually towards the same goal from different
points. Okay, moving to a more interesting field of
discussion, we talked some time ago about entities
you call devas? Davas, devas?
Treebeard: devas and how they perceive time. If you
recall, I said that I would dwell upon this matter
and I have. Devas are interesting entities in the
fact that their time perception is unlike yours or
mine. I perceive things as one event happening after
another but to a deva all events happen
simultaneously. Not only do they inhabit your world
and their world but also many different universes
all at the same time. I was asked recently about two
devas in particularly. One is portrayed on your
planet as having antlers of a deer and the other
having a feminine form with a quiver and a bow. In
the discussion I pointed out that they could be the
same entity but, on further analyzing, my statement
was incorrect and erroneous. The natures of the two
entities are very different from each other. One is
more of a protector and a nurturer whereas the other
is more of a doer and a mover. So by looking at just
these two you can see two very different devas
acting in a way that is perceived in different
effects. Now I am aware that there is a presence
within your facility, the one that you have your
channeling lessons within. Not in your domicile but
within the compartment that you host your channeling
lessons in. This presence is one with great
curiosity. Now I sense that you do not sense the
presence. If you relax a moment, close your eyes,
let us see if you can sense this stealthfull
presence. Young man, do you feel anything?
Treebeard: you are not the young man. Young man.
Skip: no, not really.
Treebeard: youngest man.
Russ: just before you said that I had like a ringing
in my ear on my right side.
Treebeard: the presence is......do you have a image?
No you don’t do you? The ringing is more of the
presence passing by.
Treebeard: when I brought up devas, the presence
came into the room.
Treebeard: it is a very thinking presence also with
a very doing presence. Also within the presence is a
feminine presence so it is my assumption that it was
a feminine doing, thinking deva, I do not know what
name it would go under or one that you would know
Treebeard: on my world a similar deva is called
Treebeard: and Sunni was the deva of fishing using
Russ: hmm, interesting.
Treebeard: that is before we........that is an
incorrect assumption, they are not deities.
Treebeard: but you think of them as deities?
Russ: well the names that they go by are deities of
a earlier age when they were worshiped as such.
Treebeard: (chuckles) so you would worship Tia’s
offspring (the Cubs)?
Treebeard: they go under the same name (Athena).
Russ: correct but we don’t worship……well in some
parts we still do…..those entities but as devas
they’re not seen as devas, they're seen in those
times as gods and goddesses.
Treebeard: I am understanding what you are talking
Russ: so they would have a mental image as well as a
physical image that they could relate to to the deva
when they made their sacrifices of grain or fruit.
Treebeard: hmm, some of the devas you are thinking
SIDE ONE ENDS
(Treebeard returns to
wrap up his time channeling)
Treebeard: I understand.
Russ: well we also had many different cultures and
the cultures would worship the same devas or
deities but under different names.
Russ: for example Diana would be Artemis…….
Russ: between the Celts the Romans.
Treebeard: Artemis is…..hmmm.
Skip: isn’t Diana the Huntress?
Russ: yeah Diana is the Huntress and Artemis is
the Huntress. And then the Norse people of the
Scandinavian or Norwegian areas had a similar
deity who was also a huntress.
Skip: so did the Greeks.
Russ: that's correct.
Treebeard: hmm. Young man, you are much like I am,
I am being forced to communicate. You think a lot
and listen a lot before being hasty. This is a
good thing, don’t you agree?.
Skip: I believe so.
Treebeard: it is like saying they have ears but do
Skip: can I give you a saying that’s kind of
predominant on this planet?
Skip: when your mouth's open your ears are out of
Treebeard: interesting wording and construction, I
will dwell upon it. Okay, more questions.
Russ: actually something about Skip, he has a tree
that he is in tune with.
Treebeard: from Deneba
I believe correctly, a great tree of many branches
that has a great affinity. You did not warn him.
(from a previous life)
Russ: oh no, I told him last week.
Treebeard: no you did not warn the young gentleman
about my talent.
Russ: oh no I didn’t warn him about that. I was
why give away all the good stuff?
Treebeard: sorry, that brings the nerve reaction
to my face….
Treebeard: of a smile.
(we both get a chuckle out of that)
Treebeard: you have done many things in your life,
many at a tender age. One would think that some
actions at a youthful age are foolish but in
rushing to learn, it is sometimes best to learn
when young so that you do not make those mistakes
again. And from learning those mistakes and
perceiving the mistakes that were made, you do not
make the same mistakes as those that forced you to
do the running. I think I’m being a little obtuse?
Skip: you’re doing just fine.
Treebeard: yes I get the impression that it is
something you wish not to discuss with young ears.
Skip: no that’s no problem.
Treebeard: ahh, but it is necessary sometimes to
review and to look at the frustration and feeling
of inadequacy to understand the emotions of those
that pushed you to those actions.
Treebeard: and in doing so on understanding them
you learn understanding for your own weaknesses.
Skip: uh-hmm, right.
Treebeard: and when dwelling and analyzing them
you learn forgiveness for yourself, for those that
put you in that situation and those that you have
avoided putting in that situation so there is a
chain event of being forced, dwelling and not
doing to put someone in the same situation even
though the situation made you who you are. It
would be difficult to have more than one of
yourself or myself. By putting people in the same
Skip: they wouldn’t come out the same.
Treebeard: that is correct but the temptation to
manipulate them to be of similar
character.........okay I am being told to wrap up
so I ask one more question............ask?
Skip: oh I’m sorry, go ahead Russ.
Russ: no.......I’m going to……..Skip I’ll let you
Skip: I think he’s pretty well fulfilled
everything that I was thinking about.
Russ: okay, thank you Treebeard.
Treebeard: you’re welcome. Now I must go and
dwell, I have been researching as you might of
Treebeard: your language.
Treebeard: the reason I did not come last week was
my friend helped me with speaking in your
language. He says little but listens with his long
(The Baron gets us to the base commander)
The Baron: okay, we are getting back to business
The Baron: and I put on last speaker and then we
start to run short on disk ja?
The Baron: okay.
comes on to cover several topics)
Omal: greetings and felicitations, greetings Skip,
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: how is everyone functioning?
Russ: quite well.
Omal: I see you were slightly remiss in your
warnings about Treebeard’s ability.
Russ: perhaps there was a good reason for it.
Russ: I don’t know what it is but I’m sure there’s
a good one.
Omal: Treebeard is a natural prober, he will
penetrate, slide, glide through, around, under,
over, in through oblique angles people’s shields.
Sometimes he will peel people shields. Notice that
Russ went on a defensive posture almost
immediately at the presence of Treebeard.
(that brings on a lot of laughter)
Skip: didn’t bother me.
Omal: he is very gentle, that comes with great age
Skip: okay I figured that.
Omal: his great, great, great, great, great, great
grandniece is very less subtle. Russ, what is the
Russ: like a battering ram.
Omal: you know when she probes. (Bunny)
Russ: oh yeah.
Omal: she is as subtle as a rock being dropped.
Okay, let’s get down to business. Tia’s
dissertation, she has worded things very
carefully, she covered the political turmoil of
the Republican Party very well. It was briefer, it
was shorter than I wanted but concise. I’m sure
that if she had had more time she would of been
able to elaborate in much more detail.
Unfortunately I made the error of giving her a
small disc. Her economic analyzing of the markets
again was concise but said very little. She said
nothing that is not printable. Her comments on
your global climate problems again is of high
quality, detailed as she does love the environment
and full of useful information. She was quite
correct in that she will get or you will get Russ
a lot of mail concerning the fact of her
statements. She will get a lot of flak for that.
Russ: oh well.
Omal: and I’m sure that she will have a rebuttal
ready for when they start to come in. Knowing Tia,
she will write one up and have it ready to go.
Okay questions, let us open up the floor to
Russ: all righty. I was speaking with Karra about
the problems in Central America and the hurricane
that came through there, one of the questions I
have is concerning its ramifications toward the
changes that are coming up on our earth and if
there is any link to that being say for example a
key to a new defcon level or something that could
be looked at in that way.
Omal: well the most recent storm to hit the
Midwest and the Great Plains is being watched very
carefully. It has the potential to be a very
devastating storm however, within your Continental
USA there has to be two more very similar within
the week, natural problems of a large scale plus
the stock market problems and the civil
disobedience. I do not see this happening just
Russ: hmm........okay, good.
Skip: does that mean that we’re stepping down
Skip: okay, all right.
Omal: mostly or partly due to the fact that if we
do step down, then people will become lax and when
certain events that are projected to
happen........which I’m still waiting to hear back
from, from the Council.........happen, it could
catch us and you in an awkward situation. The
words would be flat-footed?
Omal: and we really don’t want that. It is better
to be in a state of semi-heightened readiness so
that you can jump one way or the other. If we were
to increase the level prematurely, then you would
be in a position where you would be coiled and
ready for action for when it happened, then when
it did not happen, it would be wasted…..
Skip: and a big letdown.
Omal: and a big letdown and make us appear
unreliable in our information releases.
Skip: then we continue to stockpile our food?
Omal: yes I would suggest that you do but not as
frantically. If it is done gradually, it is not
such a fiscal drain as if done frantically and
hastily which if it is done hastily and
frantically then sometimes you get things that you
really don’t need and miss things that you do.
Skip: well doing it frantically like that,
wouldn't that start setting off a….
Skip: because people see you doing it, they would
start doing it and it would just generate a
complete total panic.
Omal: in certain situations definitely yes.
Omal: but if you do it frantically and panicly,
then you tend to get things that aren’t really
necessary or useful.
Skip: or overdo it.
Omal: yes so it is better to do it in a leisurely
way but with purpose.
Skip: Mark, the young man, taught me how to do
dehydration of foods so that they could be stored
more in less space.
Omal: that is a very useful function, dehydrating
food is……..certainly it does give you the protein
necessary at the appropriate times, I do not know
what the shelf life is on certain commodities
Skip: as long as, this is my opinion okay? As long
as it’s kept in a sealed container I believe it’s
Omal: I would not know however I have reason to
believe that certain stuffings that were used
about three to 4,000 years ago did turn out to be
still edible although I would not recommend
Skip: but our shelf life wouldn’t go any longer
than our lives period.
Omal: no true. I was just dwelling upon a joke I
overheard that your military is still issuing food
labeled 1918, is that correct?
Skip: I don’t think it’s quite that far back.
Omal: I believe it was said in humor.
Skip: okay but I can give you a for example.
Skip: I was in the service from ‘49 to ‘52, I was
stationed in Fairbanks Alaska. For Christmas we
got turkeys that were froze, which is a bird,
domestic bird that we eat……
Skip: the boxes were labeled 1945.
Russ: so four years old?
Skip: five or six, frozen meat.
Omal: hmm, that is something I would not
Skip: the military does a lot of things that
people don’t recommend.
(they both get a chuckle out of that)
Skip: K-rations are……okay let me see if I can give
you kind of a thumbnail view here. K-rations in
the service were dry rations, they were
Skip: biscuits. I don’t know what all was in them
but the biscuits been called hard tack ever since
the Civil War. You eat one hard tack biscuit and
drink a pint of water and you’re full.
Skip: okay? They’re a dehydrated biscuit. On the
other hand C-rations were canned food that were a
meal in a box.
Omal: uh-huh okay.
Skip: now them canned foods or C-rations as they
were called were originally packed in 1941. They’d
been continuously packed up until I believe '65 so
you don’t know whether you’re getting 1941 C-rations or
Omal: so the joke was an exaggeration I take it.
Skip: no it was not an exaggeration, maybe a
little. But military rations are stored in
warehouses for the day and time when they're
Skip: the same as ammunition and guns and so on
and so forth because they’re not perishable,
that's was what I was trying to get at.
Omal: yes non-perishable.
Skip: non-perishable items.
Russ: now our storage abilities from various
places has increased with our technology.
Russ: and we’re seeing stuff that’s considered
gourmet food that’s dehydrated and can last for
many, many years.
Skip: that’s correct. Now if you dehydrate food
and vacuum pack it, it extends the life almost
Omal: so if you were to say that your dried food,
dehydrated food would have a life expectancy of 10
years, if you were to dehydrate it that makes it
Skip: if you vacuum seal it after it’s
Skip: then it increases the life double, shelf
Omal: so you would have to decide how long it
would be advisable to keep dried food, dehydrated
food and then vacuum seal it so that it increases
the life expectancy exponentially to……
Skip: almost indefinitely according to our time in
Russ: now as I understand it, food can be kept
indefinitely but its food value is substantially
less than that……
Russ: its ability to nourish you.
Skip: you lose the vitamins, nutritions and
proteins from it, that’s why it’s vacuum sealed.
If it’s sealed in just a regular container, the
air will draw that off.
Omal: that is correct.
Skip: but by vacuum sealing it, you don’t allow
the air to get to it. That’s where they’re coming
up with this double life on vacuum sealing
Russ: so that’s nitrogen packed in other words?
Skip: no it’s just removing the air from it.
Skip: it’s completely, well you’ve seen the….
Russ: how could you remove the air from it,
wouldn’t you still have the air molecules wouldn’t
Skip: yeah but you wouldn’t have the outside air
drawing from them molecules, see what I mean? Does
that makes sense?
Russ: sort of.
Skip: because you can get vacuum sealers now for
Omal: it might be a good investment.
Skip: they’re not that expensive.
Omal: okay let us continue, we are……
Skip: I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt.
Omal: that is quite all right. How much do we have
on your recording?
Russ: half of the backside, well a little under
Omal: okay, we have plenty of time.
Skip: Omal, the only thing that I’m going to be in
a tizzy about….
Skip: is if this all happens, is where am I going
to get cigarettes?
(Skip starts laughing over the potential hardship)
Omal: actually that is not so much of a joke.
Skip: tobacco products is very habit-forming?
Omal: yes and very tradable.
Skip: yes they are, yes they are.
Omal: another trade good.
Russ: hmm, but don’t they have a shelf life too?
Omal: I would not know.
Skip: okay let me put it this way, the Navy
developed a shelf life for tobacco, it’s wrapped
in waxed paper and sealed. Civilian cigarettes
aren’t, none of the civilian tobacco products are
wrapped in waxed paper and sealed.
Russ: hmm, so what’s the shelf life on tobacco
that’s been waxed papered and sealed? For trade
Skip: well a pack of cigarettes……..okay let me
take for instance a pack of cigarettes, they’re
sealed in plastic but they're not sealed. How can
I say this? Plastic’s wrapped around them and
they're heated and basically they're protected
Omal: it is not a perfect seal.
Skip: that’s right, they still breathe air.
Skip: so consequently your tobacco can dry out.
Russ: so you don’t get the same effects if it’s
Skip: no, no, in fact it’ll fall apart on you.
It’ll fall apart and taste terrible. A dried
cigarette and a fresh cigarette is the difference
between day and night for a smoker.
Russ: so a fresh cigarette would be worth its
weight in gold after…..
Skip: yes it is, yes it is.
Russ: if there was a mass shortage of cigarettes I
Skip: that’s correct. So if you would take.....say
you bought a case of cigarettes which is a 100
cartons and you took them out and you wrapped them
and vacuum sealed them so they couldn’t dry out,
you could store them from now on and they wouldn’t
Skip: you would have a trading product like Omal
said, a commodity that you could trade down the
road for anything because somebody would give the
right arm for a pack of cigarettes. And this is
the truth, tobacco is one of the highest trading
things out there, that and alcohol.
Omal: that is correct. In the Russian republics
they are traded.
Russ: oh really?
Skip: tobacco and alcohol.
Skip: now if it comes to a civil war, the next
highest thing to be traded is ammunition.
Skip: not necessarily guns but ammunition because
not everybody reloads their own ammunition.
Russ: true. So not food, not water but cigarettes
Skip: no you can find food and water, believe it
or not you can find food and water.
Skip: but you cannot manufacture ammunition unless
you have the parts to do it with.
Skip: and you can’t grow tobacco in a wasteland.
Skip: and if you don’t know how to make alcohol
you're going to pay for it.
Russ: interesting, now that’s a new route I hadn’t
even thought of.
Skip: these are commodities that are very, very,
Omal: that is correct and the people that know how
to manufacture alcohol, ammunition and tobacco are
Skip: I could do two of them, I’m in the wrong
area to grow tobacco.
Omal: so what would be the option, trade the
Skip: for the tobacco?
Omal: and trade the tobacco for……
Skip: ammunition. But see I make the ammunition,
as long as I can get my hands on the brass cases
and the primers I can make ammunition because I
can make the powder.
Skip: it might not be as excellent quality as
manufactured powder but it does work.
Omal: you may have to clean more often.
Skip: yes, black powder is very, very corrosive.
Omal: okay, I am also being told to wrap up.
Skip: I’m sorry.
Omal: that is all right.
Russ: thank you Omal, you touched on some good
stuff we can look at and plan for.
Skip: yeah, yeah.
Omal: live long, prosper and, I’ll be back.
Skip: thank you, have a good evening.
Omal: I will.
(The Baron makes his final hand off of the night)
Skip: a lot of people don’t even think about them
Russ: I had no clue whatsoever, just because I
Skip: you don’t smoke.
Russ: really don’t do much drinking, don’t smoke.
Skip: and you drink that much.
Russ: I don’t plan on shooting a whole lot of
Skip: the only time that ammunition is going to be
valuable is if we get to a point where we have to
hunt our own food or we’re within a civil war.
The Baron: ja.
The Baron: okay I am putting on last person?
Skip: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
The Baron: danke schön.
(Karra is the last speaker
for the session)
Karra: okay, where was I? Herbology. Okay as we
lost the recording last week………
Skip: yes we did.
Karra: let’s cover mint. Okay, now mint is used to
flavor and season food, it also has certain
healing capabilities. It is a blood purifier, it
is a calmative especially if drunken in tea which
makes it a sedative, a mild sedative. It is an
antispasmodic and it also helps with menstrual
flow which you guys don’t need to know about but
for the Internet would be useful. Now, depending
on what type of mint you use depends on the
strength of the stimulation for the menstrual
flow. There are certain ones that you want to
avoid if you’re pregnant. Making tea from fresh
Penny Royal mint and using the oils is a no-no,
absolute no-no in pregnant women. The lesser mints
can be drunk in minor levels as long as there is
not a chance of miscarriage. Okay moving along to
rosemary, now we discussed Rosemary last week as
well and let’s have a look here and see what
Russ: oh yes, our experiment.
Karra: our experiment, what do you think?
Skip: well it’s cleared up quite a bit.
Russ: yeah, it looks better.
Karra: but there are some new ones that have
Skip: yeah but they’re not as bad as......
Karra: no, there’s a new one.
Skip: that original one was.
Karra: yeah. Okay, next week if I have time I will
show you how to make a poultice.
Russ: oh good.
Karra: using tobacco, another use for tobacco…
Karra: rosemary……I’ll tell you what I will need.
Water, not very much of it, tobacco, rosemary, a
clean cloth, a little bit of flour which will help
to bind everything together, what else do I need?
I don’t think you can get fresh tobacco can you?
Russ: no, just the stuff off of cigarettes.
Karra: yeah, that will have to work. Preferably
cigarettes that don’t have additives in them.
Russ: so like pipe tobacco or…..
Skip: no filters.
Russ: no it’s got additives though.
Karra: yeah something that doesn’t encourage the
Skip: oh that doesn’t have the glycerine in it.
Skip: oh, Bull Durham, I think that’s what? Ten
cents a sack, maybe a quarter now? There’s nothing
added to Bull Durham.......
Skip: it’s flake tobacco.
Karra: yeah what I will do is I will show you how
to make a basic poultice and what we will do is we
will tie it to the leg over if we have another
area that’s infected, we’ll place it over there
and if there is two of them, we will use one as
the control and one as the area that we’ll work
Karra: okay now, this is the first and the last
time I’m going to make a plug.
Russ: a plug?
Karra: yes a plug. http://ww.healthCentral.com.
(Ed. note: it is actually https://www.healthcentral.com/)
Russ: hmm, okay.
Karra: that’s the first and last time I’m going to
make a plug. It’s a very useful, health research
Russ: well this doesn’t have to be the last time,
you can find something else useful like that, feel
free to plug it away.
Karra: oh I’ve got to believe strongly as a healer
before I will make a plug, I’ve got to research
Russ: okay, well I’ll start my research too then.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, questions.
Skip: yes darling.
Skip: I got one. How do I……forget it, that’s
Karra: well ask the question and then we’ll
analyze it. If you’ve got a question, hold it up
by the ears.
Skip: well I was trying to help a young lady….
Skip: and I can’t seem to make contact with her,
I’ve lost her someplace. I don’t know how to
reestablish that contact.
Karra: first of all I would say not to worry about
it because she has to be ready in her own time and
if you worry about it, you get that knot in your
stomach and you get all uptight and what good does
that do? Listen to Auntie Karra.
Skip: I still want to help her and….
Karra: wanting to help is a great desire.
Skip: I’m sorry?
Karra: wanting to help is a great desire.
Skip: I know.
Karra: but they’ve also got to want to be healed.
Karra: there are few ways around it.
Skip: I got a good start on her then......
Skip: I lost her.
Karra: yeah, it happens.
Russ: well you can do that private detective thing
for $79.00, they'll find anybody.
(Skip starts laughing)
Karra: but there are very subtle ways to help
somebody become healed. I’m the mistress of
Skip: you’re a coercer huh?
Skip: you’re a coercer.
Karra: no I’m not, I’m just a healer but I’m very
subtle sometimes. For example, making a poultice,
well we definitely know that these need healing
Skip: yes they do.
Karra: uh-huh so, how do we get him to get them
healed without tying him down screaming and
shouting? Well, I’ve got the perfect answer,
we use them to show something working.
Russ: now as I understand it, you can use
poultices to pull things out from inside your body
Skip: that’s correct.
Russ: so it doesn’t even show on the outside.
Skip: that’s correct.
Russ: how the heck does that work?
Skip: I can’t explain it no more than I can
Karra: it’s to do with the…..for example, tobacco
is very useful agent, it helps to draw
tremendously and that is part of the reason why
we’re going to use tobacco in the poultice. I know
you can’t get any tree fern to use so we're going
to have to do without that a little bit.
Skip: so you make do with what you’ve got.
Karra: that’s right but I can give you a whole
list of ideas to make poultices and stuff. Now,
I’ve got one, basic battlefield medicine. You have
a broken arm, you don’t have anything to make a
cast. You have two pieces of wood for the splint
and some rope, how do you make a cast?
Skip: and your undershirt.
Skip: rip it in shreds and smear it with mud, you
can make a hell of a cast by putting the two
sticks and tying it together.
Skip: or if you have access to clay……
Karra: uh-huh, clay is just as good.
Skip: in fact it’s better….
Karra: yes, better.
Skip: because as it dries out, it’ll get harder
Karra: uh-huh, it will keep the strength longer.
Russ: what about leather? What if you wet it down
and then let it dry?
Skip: no, it shrinks.
Russ: oh, well I mean if you put it around the
wood, it wouldn’t hold…
Skip: it would pull the wood into the arm.
Skip: it will shrink, leather shrinks real badly
when it dries out.
Karra: now the only time that you want to do that
is if it is a severe, clean break.
Skip: compound fracture.
Karra: yeah, it’s the only time that you’ll do
something like that for the simple reason that
lets say the bone’s sticking up like this but it’s
a clean break. You wrap it and as it dries…..
Skip: it will pull it back in.
Karra: pull it back together.
Russ: ooohhh I see.
Karra: that’s the only time that you do that.
Russ: so know how to use though.
Karra: uh-huh and I don’t want you to even think
about doing it for anything else.
Skip: now, can I interrupt you just a minute
Skip: if in your survival equipment, if you will
put one pound box of plaster of Paris, there’s
many, many uses for it and casts are one of it.
Karra: uh-huh, making molds……
Skip: all kinds of things plaster of Paris is good
Karra: now, using mud…..
Skip: mud works great.
Karra: uh-huh however there is the infection
factor so what you do with the mud?
Russ: boil it?
Karra: uh-huh if you have time, if not, you put
lots of sulfur on the wound.
Skip: one other thing you can do I believe, now
maybe I’m going to be wrong but if you’re in a
area where you can get a hold of outside broadleaf
Skip: you can use them leaves underneath the mud
and the infection won't go into the arm.
Karra: uh-huh but I was just thinking of something
else as well that made me chuckle, something else
that will help to sterilize the wound, alcohol
Skip: yes, again alcohol yeah......
Skip: that'll sterilize the wound.
Karra: so we’ve covered…..
Russ: tobacco and alcohol.
Skip: tobacco and alcohol.
Karra: the one ingredient for what?
Skip: for trade.
Skip: for trade.
Skip: sulfur? Sulfur, powdered sulfa. Now wait a
minute, sulfur in its pure form is poisonous…
Skip: you need sulfa drug.
Karra: uh-huh, that’s correct.
Skip: because it's mixed.
Karra: but what can you use sulfur for?
Skip: you can burn it, you can decontaminate areas
Skip: you can anchor bolts with it to hold down
machinery, you can mix it with charcoal
Skip: potassium sulfate to make gunpowder.
Karra: that’s the one I was looking for.
Skip: (laughs) in other words there’s many, many
uses for sulfur.
Russ: now what about honey?
Skip: honey is one of your most natural sweeteners
Russ: I thought it’s good for healing too.
Skip: it is good for healing and it’s good for
Russ: for burns and cut and scrapes.
Skip: for internal colds, lungs problems, sore
Karra: it’s a great healing agent, that’s one of
the things as I do my things on herbs….
Karra: actually one of the best honeys is probably
Skip: yeah clover honey yeah.
Skip: natural clover honey. Now…..
Russ: so keeping a stock of that would be good
Skip: now wait a minute, honey is a perishable
Skip: if you keep honey too long it solidifies.
Russ: you can’t like heat it and make it back
Skip: yes you can but every time you heat it
solidifies a little harder and it's a little
harder to bring it back.
Russ: so it's kind of like amber almost.
Skip: yes, yes, yes. I got a pound jar of honey in
my refrigerator, it’s solid, I can't even stick a
spoon in there. I have to take the lid off and
stick it in the microwave to get it to go back to
liquid form. And to mix water with it, you're
destroying the properties of the honey.
Karra: uh-huh, you’re contaminating it.
Karra: okay we're getting close to time I believe,
can we check?
Skip: I’m sorry honey, I didn’t mean to….
Karra: no, no, no, no, that’s all right.
Skip: I’m running my fat mouth tonight.
Russ: no that’s quite handy actually.
Karra: uh-huh. It’s like I’ve said in the past,
when we have a group of healers together, we can
discuss all sorts of things.
Skip: we get carried away.
Russ: well I’m thinking okay so it turns into
solid and that’s fine so you break off a piece,
heat it up, use it for what your needs are…..
Russ: and you just put the rest of it back where
you had it.
Skip: well usually honey comes packed in jars….
Skip: plastic or glass.
Russ: or cans if you buy in bulk.
Skip: oh yeah if you buy it in bulk you buy it in
cans. Once you rip open that can or rip open the
plastic jar or get into a regular glass jar you’ll
break it to get out of there. You’re going to have
to find a different container to put it in and be
careful of glass if it’s in a glass jar. I’d
recommend you don’t buy it in glass jars.
Russ: can you vacuum seal it?
Skip: no, it’s too sticky.
Russ: it’s too sticky to vacuum.
Karra: uh-huh, to vacuum seal.
Skip: the consistency is solid but it's still
sticky. It's like taking a piece of chocolate in
your hand, it’s solid isn’t it? But your hand gets
all sticky from the chocolate. One other thing
about your tobacco young lady….
Karra: uh-huh, thank you.
Skip: bee and hornet stings….
Karra: oh yes, that was one that I was thinking
of, it’s a good thing to draw out those stingers.
Skip: it pulls out the stinger and pulls out the
Skip: wet tobacco....
Skip: and it doesn’t make any difference if it’s
got glycerin in it or not.
Karra: no it doesn’t. I prefer not to use any…….
Skip: I understand, I understand that.
Karra: any contaminants.
Skip: if, in your supplies, if you'll put two,
three, four, five bags of Bull Durham and Bull
Durham never goes bad because there’s no additives
in the tobacco.
Skip: it’s flake tobacco and it’s packed in these
little, look like little cloth bags with a
drawstring at the top of them. They breathe,
they’ve breathed since the day they were packed.
Russ: hmmm okay.
Skip: so they will not go bad because it’s flake
tobacco. Anything that’s got glycerin in it will
dry out, cigarettes, pipe tobacco.
Russ: so we need bull Durham and let’s see for our
poultices next week........
Karra: I’ve got to chuckle because you know my
thing about cigarettes.
Skip: yes I do.
Karra: and yet I’m using tobacco.
Skip: honey there’s so many different ways to use
Karra: oh yes, yes I'm just…...
Skip: just because some of us figured out a way to
Skip: doesn’t make it all bad.
Karra: oh no, no, no I’m just teasing, I’m just
Skip: I know you are, I know you are.
Karra: it’s like anything, there’s a good and bad
Skip: that’s right, that’s right.
Russ: okay, so we need Bull Durham, we need
THE TAPE ENDS