(Tia gets things going with a
stock market report)
Tia: okay, greetings and welcome to this channeling
session on June the 3rd, 1997 at 21:20 hrs., well
21:25 hrs.. Let us start and get down to business as
quickly and as promptly as feline possible. Let us
deal with the matters at hand. First of all, why is
the stock market doing so well? Well, let’s look at
what is going on with the market at the moment.
Okay, growth is up, not as well as people would like
although it has been trumpeted as a success that the
gross national product is up 1.3%. Is this a booming
economy? No, it’s not. Normally in the booming
economy it will be anywhere between 4.5% to 6.2%.
So, why do people believe that it is a booming
economy? Well that is besides the point apart from
their believing that things are looking better. True
they are looking better but they’re not as good as
they could be. Okay, next item is why is it that
when the government is not involved or is tied up
with certain matters does the stock market do so
well? It’s because the government is too busy trying
to deal with its own problems and therefore does not
have the opportunity to try and force policies and
procedures upon a stock market that is very bullish
if that is the correct term. Okay, now what is going
on in the government? Well basically the elected
governmental officials that are supposedly in charge
are basically tied up dealing with matters that
should have been dealt with long ago. When these
matters first came to a point shortly after the
initial election of the elected individual leader,
the stock market went very, very slowly and did not
progress very well as was not expected. The reason
being that the interference of political
representatives in an elected governmental capacity
as the leader interfered and slowed things down. But
now the fact that they have been tied up, for want
of a better word, they no longer have control over
what is going on in the market and so therefore the
market is free to do as it wishes. Okay now let’s
look at some moral issues here. Okay first of all,
what is going on with the military? Why is it right
for one person to have an adulterous affair with a
subordinate and only receive a general discharge
whereas the normal procedure is a full
court-martial, time in what I believe you would call
the stockade, and a dishonorable discharge. What
makes it right for one person to get away with
something whilst other people convicted of the same
crime end up in a lot more hot water? Is it because
that individual was a poster child for the military?
To be the first female B-52 bomber pilot carrying
nuclear weapons capable. Is it right? My opinion is
no. Is it right for a commanding officer of the
Aberdeen Proving Grounds, the general
in charge, to resign because he once had an
affair with a civilian although he was actually
separated and going through divorce proceedings with
his wife of the time? What is the difference between
those two, Russ?
Russ: well for one thing, both of them got off
pretty easy if you ask me.
Tia: well actually, the general that…..
Russ: I mean the guy was just allowed to resign and
so was she….
Russ: same thing.
Tia: yes but he did nothing wrong.
Russ: he had an affair.
Tia: no he didn’t, I said that he was having an
Tia: but in actual fact he wasn’t, he was separated
and going through divorce proceedings.
Russ: he wasn’t divorced yet though.
Tia: no but at that point separation had occurred.
Russ: yes but he's still disgracing his uniform.
Tia: no he’s not.
Russ: according to the military he is.
Tia: uh-uh, uh-uh because the marriage was basically
or in actual fact over. There was proceedings going
on for divorce.
Russ: in a civilian court, when..
Tia: that’s your big mistake right there, it is not
a civilian matter, is a military matter.
Russ: I know.
Tia: so do not apply military law to civilian
situations or civilian law to military situations.
Russ: well it fills in with a point I’m trying to
Russ: in a civilian court of law where there is a
male or female under the terms they’re divorcing…..
Russ: either one of the two parties who are caught
in an illicit affair during that time before the
divorce actually takes place…..
Russ: is put as the perpetrator of a major fact that
could cost them custody of their children, more of
the estate divided to the other person who wasn’t in
Russ: in fact they have detectives who, during
divorce proceedings, will follow around the person
if the other person thinks that they're having an
Russ: if they are, then they'll get pictures and
stuff and present that as evidence in court.
Tia: okay that has nothing to do with a military
matter whatsoever. The situation with Kelly
Flynn, the young lady, was far more than an
adulterous affair. The adultery is minor and moot.
She was told by her commanding officers to stop the
affair, she disobeyed an order. When she was asked
was the affair over, she said yes. She lied to a
commanding officer. When the situation came to a
point she lied again. The general was very open and
honest about the whole entire situation. In fact it
was used to finally finalize the divorce proceedings
which benefited both parties. So therefore he did
not disgrace his uniform whereas the young lady did
not only disgrace her uniform, she destroyed a
marriage, she disgraced a family, she disgraced
herself, she disgraced a branch of the military so
therefore there is a big difference between the two.
But, continuing on this line, what happened in this?
Well, it seems that people want to apply civil,
moral behavior to a area that is not anything to do
with a civil society. It is a military area and they
want to force their morals onto a society that has
had its own set of morals that work far, far better
than normal civil life, far better. Their standards
of ethics, procedures and morals are way beyond that
of the person in the street. By forcing a group of
individuals that live by a higher code of ethics to
behave with a lower level is like giving children
free range to do whatever they wish. So it is wrong
for elected governmental officials to interfere and
I’m not just saying the president or Democrats, I’m
saying all parties. Republicans, Democrats,
Liberals, Conservatives, the works. President, vice
president, Speaker of the House, they should have
nothing to do and leave alone the military, it is
not a test ground for moral behaviors of a society
that is less than moral. Okay, my spiel is over, do
you have any questions before I hand over to Omal?
(Omal takes Tia's topics and runs
Omal: greetings and felicitations Russ.
Russ: greetings Omal.
Omal: she does work hard on her dissertation does
Russ: yes she does.
Omal: she does put a lot of passion into it.
Russ: very informative.
Omal: yes, she does work hard. Okay, let’s look at
Tia's first analysis of the stock market. She is
correct in every detail as always, accuracy seems to
be her middle name. I would like to expand upon her
explanation of the interference of governmental
agencies. When she talks of a government fresh and
interfering in a behavioral pattern of a stock
market, it works like a brake being applied. When
this brake is applied, things slow down, growth
slows down, confidence slows down but when a
government is hogtied with other matters, all those
breaks have been removed. It is like a vehicle going
downhill, when you have your foot on the brake you
control it, you control the speed. When you take
your foot off the brake, it accelerates out of
control and out of speed. This occurs when
situations conspire against individuals. At the
moment it is the brightest part before the storm.
Things are looking good. The next year to a year and
a half will tell what is going to transpire. Okay
let us look at Tia's last comments on moral
behaviors. Tia as we know is a very moral
individual, she holds her morals up high. She has
learned to be respecting of other people’s opinions
but to hold fast to her morals of the family,
behavior in public, language. Tia may use
Durondedunn phrases to swear but having had to study
a little bit of the language, her phrases that she
uses, the descriptive one of fraugh is polite in
actual fact. From what I have learned, it means,
"may you enjoy the flavor of my after food as you
munch on my underwear". That is a correct
translation, basically eat my shorts. So Tia’s
behavior is obviously stated in her views on the
morals and her views are very correct, they are a
sixth dimensional and a third dimensional blending
of moral opinions. And by having these morals and
trying to live by them is a good indicator on how
people should behave. She has learned extremely well
that the third dimensional way has certain
advantages and the sixth dimensional way has certain
advantages. Being of a third dimensional ancestry,
she has to deal with those third dimensional mindset
and thinking. Living in a sixth dimensional
workspace environment, she has come to terms in
being able to refine her moral outlook on life which
is a good moral outlook on life. Tia does not lie,
she does not cheat, she does not bend the truth
unless it is necessary to protect. She has learned
that protecting friends, family, and associates is
very important, before it was just family. How does
that affect a third dimensional society such as
yours? Well having a high moral standard seems to be
able to focus somebody in a direct path that is
beneficial for enlightenment. If for example taking
the incident of Kelly Flynn, morals would have
dictated that first of all the first thing that she
did wrong was adultery, she destroyed a marriage.
What benefit did she get from destroying a marriage?
Well, she has been rewarded by people asking for her
to do book contracts. Is it correct to idolize
somebody that has committed adultery and destroyed a
marriage? I will let you decide that. Secondly
lying, not once but many times, is that correct?
Again I will let you decide. Disobeying an order in
an environment where orders are important to be
followed, again is this correct? Regardless of the
order, it is important that the order be carried out
as best as possible, is that correct? I will again
let you decide on that. The development of a society
depends on its moral behavior. Tia is quite astute
at perceiving moral behavior and how it affects a
growth or a stunting in growth of a society. It is
fine to be tolerant and understanding but it is
important also to stick to one's moral opinion, to
stick to a moral pathway and not to deviate from
that. It is good to be open and to be able to look
at everything and to be able to come to a wise
conclusion but, if you have certain principles that
aid you in this, that give you the confidence
necessary to be a successful developed individual in
a spiritual and physical capacity, will lead you to
a higher enlightenment than just being a person that
goes, "I understand your point of view, let me think
on this, you may be right". "Lying may be a good
thing, let me think about this". "Cheating on one’s
husband or wife is a good thing". These things
obviously are not good and by falling into that
trap, society is affected in a way that the level of
behavior becomes lower. When that occurs and people
that expect lower standards from other individuals,
then again that lowers itself again. When it becomes
common to use foul language in everyday
conversation, then an individual and a society if it
becomes very prevalent is in problems, serious
problems. This is one of the signs to look out for
as things get worse, when it becomes acceptable to
use foul language as part of a normal conversation.
Where it becomes acceptable to use F words and B
words and C words when talking to somebody and it is
not even an eye-raising experience. Okay, let us
answer your questions.
Russ: okay first off, on the issues on the stock
market. Now the point where the government
interferes, I noticed that our most current example
of where the government interferes is where the
federal exchange Chairman, I believe his name is………
Russ: Greenspan, he set the interest rates at a
higher rate than they had been before. At that point
though is the point where we saw the stock market
rise ever since then and it’s been on an upswing
since so at this point I’m wondering is that perhaps
an accident or did he actually do some good there?
Omal: he intended it to go up. The reason why he
intended it to go up is that people will look at the
stock market and they see this action, the stock
market climbing higher and higher and they feel good
about that. People are making money, people are
doing well, it gives a false sense of confidence. As
Tia pointed out, with a growth rate of only 1.2%,
there is something wrong when that is looked upon as
great when in a normal booming society, let us take
the economy of Kennedy where it was 5.2% through
most of his living administration, it was booming.
What is the difference there?
Russ: well the Kennedy administration came on right
at 1960 and at that point people looked toward a new
decade as opposed to the old decade of the 50s known
as the silent generation, suddenly it was......and
you can see it in much of the culture.......a bright
spot happening and I feel that kind of caught on at
a nationwide level.
Omal: but why didn’t it occur this time?
Russ: well, you right mean now?
Russ: well it’s not the 60s, the 60s were a time of
dreaming and hopes.
Omal: but not to start off with, there were a lot of
dark situations. The Bay of Pigs, the Cuban missile
crisis, the start of the Vietnam War, far worse than
what is happening now.
Russ: true but we're talking Kennedy and the Vietnam
war was post Kennedy.
Omal: it started in ‘64.
Russ: right, Kennedy was killed in 60…..
(Ed note: it was actually November 22nd, 1963)
Omal: Kennedy sent advisers into North Vietnam.......or South
Vietnam rather in ‘63.
Omal: the war started then, it did not escalate to
the size until later but it started then. It did not
tear the country apart until later.
Russ: I think some of it actually might have to do
Omal: that came later.
Russ: well that’s true but just if you look at the
music of the 50s, even up to 59, and you look at the
music one year later, there are some very marked
changes there that I think had a bit to do with it.
Omal: they were the result of what was going on.
Omal: people were feeling good, people were feeling
great, life was wonderful.
Russ: well wasn’t this also the time the baby
boomers were starting to come along?
Omal: the baby boomers….
Russ: World War II?
Russ: and they were reaching their point of
Omal: no, they were coming into the workplace.....
Omal: but they were not reaching maturity. Maturity
comes later in life Russ.
Omal: okay, now the difference between then and now
is the moral outlook. They still had very high moral
standards. Somebody caught in an adulterous affair
was shunned and ostracized. Now, how many people do
you know that have had adulterous affairs?
Russ: quite a few.
Omal: but back then it was almost unheard of. It was
either swept under the table and kept very quiet or
the person was ostracized and the court case was
nasty and bloody. As you said, they would lose their
children, they would lose a larger percentage of
their property than they would have normally. Now,
it’s no big deal. In fact as Tia pointed out,
sometimes it is used as a tool.
Russ: well the 60s did bring along that change
though with the Summer of Love, free love…..
Omal: uh-uh, that's too far, we’re talking about the
Russ: oh okay.
Omal: not the Johnson administration. We are talking
between the difference between the Kennedy
administration and now and it is all one thing, the
Omal: a frequent topic of conversation is the
president’s moral compass.
Russ: Kennedy had some very low morals though in
Russ: his adulterous affairs, you could write major
books of and some have been written.
Omal: yes, they’re all written after his death.....
Russ: after his death.
Omal: when they came to light, after he had been
assassinated. The current ones are coming to light
during the administration and it is not just one or
two or even three individuals, Kennedy is made to
look like a wimp compared to this individual.
Russ: but don’t we see the beginnings of this then?
Omal: yes you do, you do. The moral standards were
already lowered after the administration
of....what’s his name? Ike, Eisenhower.
Omal: it would’ve been better if Nixon had been
Russ: it would’ve kept the moral standards higher……
Omal: and therefore the chance of what transpired
would’ve been lessened.
Russ: but then again we see a lot of good things
that came about because of Kennedy too.
Russ: the space program…..
Russ: much of the welfare system.
Omal: that goes back further actually.
Russ: oh it does?
Omal: yes, it goes back to FDR.
Russ: I knew it had something to do with something
Omal: yes he did, Bill of Rights.
Russ: yeah, Bill of Rights.
Omal: which is a great and wonderful thing. I am not
condemning Kennedy or any president including this
current one, I’m saying that it is a symptom of a
society that has become too opulent.
Russ: now what have those changes in the moral
systems have to do with the consciousness of the
Omal: okay, where a moral behavioral pattern is set
in place…..for example, let us get back to adultery.
Where adultery becomes common, that sets up a karmic
distraction that has to be worked out. When you are
dealing with something of a situation such as that,
how can you think clearly on spiritual matters?
Omal: you see the problem?
Omal: let us say you are concerned with the
well-being of children?
Omal: you are concerned with getting as much as
possible for the children in the ensuing separation
so therefore you do not deal with the spiritual
matters that you should be, you do not have time to
sit down and deal with the spiritual growth that you
would normally go through. When a situation occurs
like that, you are more preoccupied, you cannot
think clearly. That half an hour or an hour that you
have set aside to sit down and meditate, you're
going to be thinking of other matters. So therefore
by a degradation in moral structure leads to
spiritual flatness where it becomes flat, you are
preoccupied with other matters. Not of the
development of yourself, your spouse or your
Russ: hmm, okay.
Omal: but, there are exceptions to the rule.
Omal: next question.
Russ: not to set any standards or to point any
fingers or anything, but personally looking at Hades
Base, it seems as though it’s more of a 60s in their
moral standards than there is more of the 50s.
Omal: yes but there is the moral standings of, from
what I have gathered, all the sexual antics that go
on, all people involved are aware of what is going
on. For example, let us take a secretary that I
have. She is in the early stages of pregnancy. Her
bond mate is very, very excited about the upcoming
child. Her boyfriend is also ecstatic. It is her
boyfriend’s first child. The fact that all three
individuals knew what was going on makes the
situation much easier. The fact that the partner or
the bond mate was very consensual and said, "enjoy
and I hope this works" is something that is
understood. So, all three people agreed on what was
happening. The reason they agreed is the young
gentleman, the father, has some good genes. The
mother has some great genes. The bond mate, being in
the medical department, was aware of the potential
for the offspring and development. The agreement is
that all three people involved will be the parents
although the bond mate will be the primary male
parent. The other individual, the father of the
offspring, will be in a behavioral pattern of an
uncle even though the child is his. So therefore by
being of an intelligence level, they understand that
their actions and behavior has to be in such a way
that all benefit. You see what I’m saying?
Russ: of course, because I’m in the same situation
(Karra and Alana are both my bond mates)
Russ: okay, I think you said it best in your
dissertation when you mentioned the openness and if
the relationship does not affect...how did you put
it? The physical and spiritual well-being of the
Russ: which I believe we are seeing on Hades Base
is, these sexual antics as you call them….
Russ: do not affect the physical or spiritual
well-being of the individuals.
Omal: in fact in this situation it enhances.
Russ: correct, correct. And I’m sure, just from my
viewing of all this, I bet it is true in all these
things that go on….
Russ: but I’m just saying from and outsider’s point
of view looking in on this would see a 60s
Russ: and somebody with a more Puritan…..
Russ: attitude, would turn their nose up and quite
literally frown heartily at this.
Omal: that is correct they would, but to understand
a society and to see the problems, you have to have
all the information and facts. An individual that
looks at something, turns up their nose, says how
horrible and degradated it is without experiencing
or receiving information on that society is making a
big mistake. We have the information necessary to
come to a formulated answer on the situation on the
morals in your planet.
Omal: an individual looking from the outside in on
our little group would have very little information
Omal: and bacchanalia is a word I have not heard in
a long time......
(Russ starts to chuckle)
Omal: well not that long. Sometimes it seems like a
few moments and sometimes it seems like maybe a few
Russ: well that’s why I'm looking forward to
possibly enlightening people over the fact that
there is a alternative towards the moral degradation
as being a more uplifting experience.
Omal: it is a spiritual level of awareness that you
have to achieve first. With that should come the
morals to be intelligent enough to understand the
Russ: uh-huh, correct. So you need to look at it
from that viewpoint….
Russ: as opposed to one more close minded.
Omal: correct. You first of all have to become
spiritually aware enough to understand that
sometimes things happen not for the better of an
individual but for the better of the group. Okay,
Russ: okay, my lady has I’m sure informed you of a
future series of discussions that I'd like to get
into with you?
Omal: she has only mentioned that you wish to
discuss certain topics.
Russ: right which is the history of Ashtar Command.
Russ: and I would like to possibly see if we can’t
set up a series of timelines let’s say or periods of
Ashtar Command that led up to its present state.
Omal: I’m sorry to say that this request has to be
Omal: for security reasons.
Russ: all right.
Omal: certain things that happened in the early part
and middle part of Ashtar Command are still being
observed and learned from so therefore it would be a
gross breach of security to even mention or discuss
Omal: I’m sorry.
Russ: no worries, it would have been an interesting
Omal: okay, thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Omal: I’ll be back.
(Korton follows Omal in Tia's
Korton: greetings Russ.
Russ: greetings Korton.
Korton: correct. Okay…..
Korton: the purpose of communication is to be able
to communicate crisply and clearly. I have stated
this in the past and I will state it again in the
future. It is necessary as a communicator to be as
crisp and clear as possible. I received a copy of a
communication recently that was long-winded, drawn
out, and very dancing around the issues. I received
a copy this morning of a communication of the same
subject that had been edited and tightened and
tidied. Communication in a state of consciousness of
high anxiety seems to be one of the more difficult
subjects to cover on a humanoid, life form basis. It
is at that point where individuals use their
emotions and their minds overflow with anxieties and
actions. It is difficult I understand for a third
dimensional being to not function without those
emotions even if they are fear and anxiety. It is
necessary when writing these items to be clear as
possible. The work on tidying them up can be very
tedious and hard on the individual that has to do
the editing. Editing is a necessary function. An
individual should be capable of self-editing but
when it becomes involved with emotions, then it
clouds the judgment. For an individual that hides
their emotions when they come to the surface, it
makes their thinking process even harder and more
difficult than a tough situation being dealt with in
a cold, dispassionate way. Communication at this
point starts to break down. What is meant by dancing
around the issues and trying to hide the emotions
and control the emotions even though they are
running rampant no longer serves a function.
Materials that come from that situation therefore
suffer in their quality. The individual that has to
edit and change and correct suffers because of an
individual being ruled by their emotions when
they’re doing communications. I think you know what
I’m referring to.
Russ: Karra’s been filling me in here.
Korton: when these things occur, it is honorable
that somebody wishes to express their anxieties and
help other people but it is important that they
remember the person that has to do the hard work of
reading through this material, editing it,
correcting it, correcting the spelling, it becomes
hard at that point. The individual might as well not
have written the material but I understand that it
was necessary not only for a therapeutic purpose but
also for passing on information and helping to
increase the spiritual awareness of individuals that
are not personally known to the individuals that
deal with this matter. The communication of this
(Korton finishes up the
sentence that he started)
Korton: .......and explain a situation for an
individual, the therapeutic pathways are helped to
clear, to face this matter head on, to deal with
the growth and understanding of people. The
development that transpires from this is that the
individual has faced the dragon, has learned to
deal with it and in return for this suffering, has
passed on information that is valuable for other
people to help with their spiritual development
and growth. But, it is necessary in a situation to
think first before using the emotions in these
matters. Development of a higher consciousness can
come from this, it is necessary to be from the
heart but controlled emotionally. Question?
Russ: in the long run after it’s been tightened
and made workable, would this then be a very good
passing on of information?
Korton: I believe so, it has been edited and
Korton: so therefore it is very useful in passing
on information. Is it the therapeutic part that
interests me. It is a memory of long ago that
needs understanding that the individual who
shields himself is baring his heart. Why would an
individual do that? It is not a, "look at me", it
is more, "let me try to help".
Russ: and I’m sure he is speaking to others who
are in similar situations and who will reflect on
that and if not now, later.
Korton: I am not aware of that. Thank you.
Russ: thank you.
(Omal returns to
edit if necessary which it wasn't)
Omal: there is very little that I can say and add
to this. It seems that Korton has handled the
situation with full linguistic capability and
Russ: he’s quite concise, yes.
(Tia now switches to the next speaker on her list)
(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)
Russ: hi Tia.
Tia: and long-winded too.
(Russ laughs at that one)
Tia: now both parties have left, I shall put on
the next person.
(Karra continues the
(Russ starts laughing once more)
Karra: it was a good idea…..
Russ: yes darling, I thought so too.
Karra: it was worth trying.
Russ: well, maybe later.
Karra: Omal is saying that there is very little
chance as it is one of the policies and
procedures. It would have to go before the Council
and as it would be low on the priority list, it
may get discussed next year or the year after the
possibility of discussing it.
Karra: and by the time they get around to it, it
may be 30, 40, 50 years into the future, if we’re
lucky. Omal says that it would be close to a
hundred before they actually got around to
Russ: oh well, no problem.
Karra: which is no biggie for me, I’d only be 184.
Russ: but a lovely 184.
Karra: oh thank you.
Russ: uh-huh. Okay so, I’m the primary parent.
Karra: uh-huh, that’s how it seems.
Russ: uncle Mark.
(we're talking about Mark's child with Alana)
Russ: cool. Thank you for your help on that thing
Karra: oh you're welcome, it seems like we both
got a pat on the back for that actually.
Russ: apparently so yes, it certainly seemed like
it to me but we did earn that one. That was a
Karra: well, when we were reading from it, the
impression I got was that he was really suffering.
Russ: yeah, well I got that too.
Karra: I mean he was in a state of high anxiety.
Russ: but it was disjointed, it didn’t make for
Karra: no, I think Omal was quite
correct......Korton was quite correct in saying
that the information he was trying to get across
is important, being in a state of high emotional
turbulence as Korton would put it, caused the
Russ: so there are some good sides to be gotten
from writing from an emotional state if you can
Karra: uh-hmm yes, but…..
Russ: for example, when you and I do an
Russ: okay? We get into a joint emotional.......I
Karra: yes and no, with what was written is this
was pure uncontrolled emotions….
Karra: ours are controlled.
Russ: yes very much so but they’re very uplifting.
Karra: uh-huh whereas the author was going through
an emotional crisis that he couldn’t control and
it served a very useful purpose of being able to
focus his thoughts into writing something that
would help him benefit instead of being in a state
of high anxiety with it being bottled up inside
Russ: well as Korton said, it was therapeutic.
Russ: that’s good.
Karra: and it wasn’t dry either.
Russ: no. Okay so I’ll put that on the web
Russ: and how to coerce we'll have to wait on.
Karra: uh-huh, just a little bit.
Russ: yeah. Let's see…..
Karra: oh I’ve got a question that confused me.
Russ: yeah sure.
Karra: Mark asked you earlier on about why you’re
doing rushs. What is rushs?
Russ: same thing as the dailies.
Karra: oh. I knew what dailies were, you explained
that to me.
Russ: right, rushs are more or less used in
Russ: whereas the film companies use dailies
because they’re using what is done on a daily
basis whereas the television people are doing
rushes which means they're working straight off
the video cameras that they’re filming with.......
Karra: oh I see.
Russ: and they're just doing it right out of the
Karra: yeah because the thing that I got was that
it was the same thing just different phrasing, now
I understand what……okay sorry, I didn’t mean to
Russ: no problem, it's a different entertainment
interface. Okay, let’s see, I’m going to put the
news as the change from....let's see....May 6th
with the downgrade from Defcon three….
Karra: uh-huh. Downgrade to Defcon three.
Russ: to Defcon three. We've got Omal’s points of
view, we have your......thing on the Zetas and the
Russ: okay, so that's the webpage.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay let me see……
Russ: oh, oh, oh that’s right, remember we were
talking about how to shield?
Karra: oh yes.
Russ: that’s a good one.
Karra: okay, that will work.
Russ: okay how do we, when do we want to do that,
how do you want to do it?
Karra: okay, I think we’ll let……
Russ: hey, Kiri can do that tonight.
Karra: Omal says he will handle that one.
Russ: next week.
Karra: next week as it has to go through him.
Karra: uh-huh. And he says he doesn’t trust Kiri’s
manipulation to get it clear.
Russ: okay well, how about I put a coming soon?
Karra: oh yes, coming to a webpage near you.
Russ: yes, how to shield.
Russ: because that is something that you can’t use
it for negative purposes….
Karra: no, you can’t use it for negative…..well
actually you can.
Russ: you can but it’s more helpful than it is
Russ: I mean to use it for a negative purpose
you’re still......it's still helpful for the large
majority. Because so many people are affected by
people who are sucking energy from them.
Karra: uh-huh and to use it in a negative capacity
would take rewriting the program.
Russ: and also using it in a negative pattern,
you’re going to dig more energy up to put it in a
Russ: than you would in a positive format whereas
Karra: actually, a negative format takes less
energy because you’re using somebody else’s
Russ: you are?
Karra: well when you’re using it as an
Russ: oh, well we're not going to get into that.
Karra: oh hell no.
Russ: they can figure that out if they have to but
I’m sure Omal will write something into it but
this is just looking at it from the positive point
of view that we all worked on from the very
Russ: and hey, stacked shielding, I wouldn't go
into the mega-shields.
Karra: oh hell no.
Russ: just basic shields and techniques of how
to shield for beginners.
Karra: yeah, shielding for beginners.
Russ: shielding for beginners.
Russ: good, that’ll work.
Karra: oh yeah.
Russ: okay, we’ll work on that for next week.
Russ: good one.
Karra: it is a good one, we’re a great team.
Russ: yes we are sweetheart.
Russ: all right let’s see, what else? We got the
editorial, news, those articles……
Russ: oh, I need you to help me please with the
redoing of the logo, the heading......
Russ: of Hades Base News.
Karra: well I was thinking something more along
the lines of doing it in…..that’s a nice idea.
Russ: what, Gothic?
Karra: Gothic was my first idea but Kiri just came
up with an idea.
Russ: what’s that?
Karra: we do it in what she says is called case.
Russ: you mean block letters?
Karra: yeah, but almost three dimensional.
Russ: oh, oh I see what you mean, yeah
Russ: right, so it's almost shadowed or something.
Russ: yeah I can do that.
Russ: okay sweetheart, what do you got for me?
Karra: not that much actually because we discussed
most of it earlier on and it's not relevant to
Russ: yes we did get in a lot of discussions.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay…
Russ: okay now that reminds…..oh, go ahead…..
Karra: no, you go first dear.
Russ: okay that reminds me, the other day when we
were working on…..when I’m in the park….
Russ: and I’m working with you on various aspects
of channeling sessions and other things….
Karra: uh-huh. Yes I know, it does distract
Russ: well I liked it, that was probably the best
part of the whole day.
Karra: yes, it passes time for you.
Russ: right but am I interrupting you or anything
when I’m doing that?
Karra: no, no, I’m just a lowly healer that has
some free time.
Karra: if I’m busy, you know I’m busy.
Russ: right, well how's that guy doing in the
Karra: let’s not talk about that.
Russ: okay, how about the other guy that I was
talking to the other day?
Karra: oh yeah, he's up and about.
Russ: is he now?
Karra: he’s got to go back in for some very
complicated gene therapy and some reconstruction
in a lower part of the limb.
Russ: yeah it’s funny, I told him, “hey, sorry I
passed out on you the couple times I was talking
to you when you first came in” and he goes, ”well
that's alright, I was so drunk I don’t know what
you said anyway.”
Karra: uh-huh and also they’re going to be
doing……..you know that area that I was pointing
out to you?
Russ: behind the curtains?
Karra: well they're going to be doing a lot of
Russ: oh really?
Karra: also, getting back to the guy that was
drugged up, I have to do some reconstructive
on him in a serious level.
Russ: oh really?
Karra: uh-huh. I mean his chances of survival are
90%, the other one is…I mean the separation is
getting worse and worse.
Russ: he’s going to be living in the regen tank
for a while, this other guy?
Karra: no, no.
Russ: oh that’s good.
Karra: uh-huh but he’s going to probably needs
somebody to chat and to shout at because the pain
is going to be excruciating and we can’t deduct
the pain because of the healing process would be
slowed. However there is one thing that he can do
in the astral form, it’s going to be depressing….
Karra: but we’re going to…..no, I can’t ask you to
Russ: why not?
Karra: I’m going to tell you what I would like but
it’s up to you.
Karra: I can’t ask you......well I can ask you but
I’ve really got to say it is your own choice.
Russ: of course.
Karra: okay, the guy in the cryo unit, we’re going
to take him out of the cryo
unit and we're going to let him go. We want you to
help him do the crossover, tell him that he’s got
to pass on.
Karra: explain the situation to him. That is only
if you want to. We do have somebody that is more
qualified to do that.
Russ: well I’ve only done it once.
Karra: it’s up to you. Omal says it’s best not to
discuss it now, something for you to think upon
and it is really, really up to you.
Russ: we got some time anyway right?
Karra: we’re not going to take him out of the cryo
tank just yet because we want to get some gene
Karra: he is not an only child but he has no
Karra: so we need to salvage material for the
Karra: I mean we can keep him like he is
indefinitely but that would not serve the purpose.
Russ: no, it would slow down his process.
Russ: okay, I'll dwell on it. Oh yeah, David's
(one of the twins of Karra and myself)
Russ: coming along quite nicely.
Russ: he got that from his dad, his grandfather I
Karra: yeah, I knew what you meant.
Russ: yes obviously, your dad.
Russ: okay and Michael's is slower?
Karra: Michael seems to be a little bit slower on
Karra: that’s the way he is.
Russ: who came out first?
Karra: Michael did.
Russ: Michael did?
Karra: yeah but look at Alex for example.
(the son of Kiri and Mark)
Karra: I mean how often will he sit down and be
Russ: very rarely.
Karra: uh-huh and then look at his mother.
Russ: true. Yep…
Karra: and look at his father, he's quite outgoing
sometimes. It’s very rare for Alex to be outgoing.
I’ve watched Alex grow up, being my first, what
would he be? Nephew.
Karra: and it’s fascinating to watch him.
Russ: true and it's fun to watch just the whole
process of his growth.....
Russ: and how it's coming along.
(Omal makes his thoughts known about what Karra
Omal: Russ, I must stress that it is your own free
will in this matter.
Russ: thank you Omal.
Omal: I do not say that you should or you
shouldn't, it’s something that you have to decide
for yourself. Karra putting you on the spot like
that is something I do not agree with. I feel that
you could learn from it but also you could learn
from not doing it.
Omal: you will not be put in that position again.
Russ: oh please though understand, I don’t mind at
Omal: no, it is something that Karra should not
have done. It is putting you on the spot to make a
decision on something that you do not need to
Russ: well, for example, it could be that I might
have some past life with this gentleman.
Omal: that is unimportant.
Russ: well still, it’s something that were I
decide to do it, it would be because I felt
compelled to do so.
Russ: and unless that compulsion comes, no, I
won't be doing it.
Omal: that is your choice.
(Tia as well has some thoughts on Karra's request)
Tia: I have to concur with Omal in that actually.
Russ: of course.
Russ: of course, me too.
Tia: slap on her wrist.
Russ: well no sense being hard with her, she’s
understanding that something has to be done.
Russ: there’s only a few people who can do that.
Tia: uh-huh, she’s looking at all the options I
Russ: uh-huh. Like I say, she knows I know I’ve
done it already……
Russ: which is where she’s basing that from.
Russ: I have experience in that field.
Tia: uh-huh, but you don’t have in my
opinion……okay, thank you. Okay, let’s get ready
Russ: "that’s enough of that".
Tia: no, that didn’t come from Karra.
Russ: oh, Omal.
Tia: uh-huh, he said drop it.
Russ: all right.
(Kiri has some time to work
with before we end the session)
Kiri: don’t you love it when she does that?
Russ: indeed darling. How are you today Kiri?
Kiri: I’m fine.
Russ: well good.
Kiri: I’m real fine.
Russ: well we're going to see your coercive parts
Kiri: uh-huh, it’ll get on there.
Russ: it’s probably going to take some heavy
Kiri: uh-huh, I understand with everything that
Russ: yeah because this is all prior to that and….
Russ: you probably didn’t have everything.....say
everything that could have been said to keep that
Kiri: yeah, I mean coercion is one of those fields
that can easily be switched over to a
Russ: right whereas shielding isn’t, coercion is
like the only reason I even bothered started
typing today was the fact that you started to go
on coercion, I was like putting the big brakes on,
listening to it for a long time going, "well yeah,
you're putting in a lot of safeguards here but it
doesn’t really matter, it's still coercion". It is
one of those things that if people want to use it
negatively they will.
Kiri: those felines are getting really
rambunctious and kicking on doors aren’t they?
Russ: they're fighting against it.
Kiri: okay anyway, yes I mean I tried to put in as
many safeguards as possible but it is real hard
work on something like that, it could so easily be
used in a negative pattern.
Russ: yeah I don’t think the webpage actually is
one of the best forms for that.
Russ: because you have no control over it whereas
in personal teaching sessions you have a bunch
more control of who you teach it to and how you
teach it to them.
Kiri: correct but coercion is something that will
show somebody’s true self in their actions.
Russ: so you do feel there is a place on the web
Kiri: yes there is but it’s one those things that
on a karmic level if you teach somebody how to use
it, they will show their true selves in how they
Russ: well the thing I’m worried about is the fact
that we’re going to have to sanitize it so much,
that it's going to be no use for us whatsoever.
Kiri: we’ll see, we’ll see what’s left. I know
it’s something that’s tricky and all that hard
work out the window.
Russ: it’s a long one, that’s why it's my typing
that's going to be dealing with this one.
Kiri: yeah. But there again it may be handy to put
it on file for a later time.
Russ: yeah that’s true.
Russ: and if nothing else, at least I can print it
up and use it for someone in a personal teaching
Kiri: correct, correct.
Russ: so there is that to be looked at on the
benefit side which I do want to do now is get
project Gemini going.
Russ: it's not as necessary as it was obviously.
Kiri: no, obviously not.
Russ: but I can certainly use any benefits that
come out of it.
Kiri: uh-huh, yes. Okay we'll work on that and I
think, as was stated last week, Tia is the person
to consult with.
Kiri: uh-huh, due to the fact that she is very,
very perceptive, very perceptive. I mean she seems
sometimes to read people like a book.
Kiri: in fact we had a little minor disagreement
over something but that’s between Tia and myself.
Russ: I know, I heard all about it.
Kiri: oh, what did you hear about?
Russ: that you and Tia and Mark were all
discussing his health and you felt that he
shouldn’t have overdone it in the fencing….
Kiri: no, it had nothing to do with that
Russ: oh, I thought that’s what you were talking
Kiri: no, we had another discussion this morning
about something else.
Russ: oh okay.
Kiri: and that was unimportant, it doesn’t need to
Kiri: but yes, that was an interesting discussion.
Tia thought and correctly that Mark was overdoing
it. I thought that it was good for him. Mark
concurred with me. It was a discussion that was
very necessary to have so that Tia could voice her
opinions instead of keeping them to herself as she
Russ: well she already chastised herself about
Kiri: uh-huh. Yes, the crucifixion.
Russ: yes right.
Kiri: she's walking around like this. She's making
comments about what a way to spend Easter and if
she drops that cross one more time she’s out of
the procession. God, Tia and her poor jokes.
Russ: oh, which reminds me…
Russ: a horse walked into a bar, the bartender
says, "why the long face?"
Kiri: oh, okay. Hmm, okay, I see. Okay, let’s get
sensible here for the moment because we're wasting
time that could be better discussed on other
Kiri: okay, let us look at the development of
computer technology as I have little bit of
interest in that.
Kiri: let’s not discuss computer technology.
(Russ breaks out in laughter)
Russ: well good because I was about to write it
down here and now I don’t have to cross it out at
Kiri: uh-huh. Do you know what happened there?
Russ: yes, Omal just went over and…..
Kiri: went………..because he knows that I would
probably say something that would open up a whole
can of worms and your computer technology would
jump 20 years in 30 seconds.
Russ: yeah and we get our whole project shut down.
Russ: no thank you. Let’s try something a little
Kiri: okay, sanitary napkins.
Russ: energy napkins?
Kiri: sanitary napkins.
Russ: oh, sanitary napkins.
Kiri: sorry, it’s my joke.
Russ: I know.
Kiri: okay, let me see. Let us talk about……..no,
let’s not talk about that.
(now Russ really starts laughing)
Russ: I think we’ll go back to frivolous chitchat
Kiri: let us discuss metal………..no, let’s not
Russ: want to hear another joke?
Kiri: no, no core reactors, no engine reactors. Oh
well, there goes my whole entire list of
Russ: how about safety pins.
(Russ starts laughing some more)
Kiri: Omal, I can’t say anything……oh God, yes I
could, you’re quite correct there. Omal says that
I could probably give away a formula for a better
safety pin made out of a more springy metal which
would involve metallurgy.
(Kiri swears a bit in Sirian in fun)
Kiri: I feel better after that.
Russ: oh good, get that out of your system.
Kiri: didn’t sound right coming through Mark’s
Russ: it sounded fine. What about wood, can’t you
work with wood, that's nice and natural……..?
Kiri: ohhhhh, talking of wood…..
Russ: yeah, you've got to have something here
Kiri: actually I do have something that you can do
Russ: yeah, there we go.
Kiri: uh-huh. Have you ever seen a pole lathe.
Russ: a what?
Kiri: a pole lathe.
Russ: yes sure, it makes baseball bats and table
Kiri: uh-huh, have you ever seen one working?
Russ: sure, it just spins around very fast.
Kiri: uh-huh, how does he do it?
Russ: well you’ve got a motor on one side and a
dowel on the other……
Kiri: no, no. A pole lathe.
Russ: I don’t understand you’re talking about, I’m
thinking of just a lathe where you put a piece of
wood in there.......
Kiri: no a pole lathe was mentioned tonight at
Russ: oh, oh, oh, oh the spring driven pole
Kiri: it’s actually driven by a branch.
Russ: yeah, a sapling or something.
Kiri: uh-huh. Go and look at it, may come in handy
Russ: that is a good idea.
Kiri: interrogate the guy, take your portable hand
Russ: I know what we can talk about…..
Russ: we can talk about costumes.
Kiri: oh cool.
Russ: yeah, Mark says you were talking all about
Russ: how about some costumes here, that’s
Russ: there aren’t any secrets you could lay out
on this one.
Kiri: I could probably.
Russ: you could probably but we'll hold off on
Kiri: okay, I can’t mention materials to you……..I
can mention materials as long as they are certain
Russ: sure, polyesters, cotton, we don’t use those
for the Renaissance period anyway.
Kiri: uh-huh, correct.
Russ: so go with muslin and…
Russ: linen sure.
Kiri: and wool.
Kiri: uh-huh. Wool underwear. Okay, now I was
thinking....of, could Ona, is that her name?
Kiri: make a very, very special dress for someone?
Russ: she can make anything you want her to.
Kiri: how about a hooped dress?
Russ: a hoop dress?
Russ: for the Renaissance period?
Kiri: kind of.
Russ: they didn’t have hoop dresses in the
Kiri: I know but it’s for a gift for somebody from
us if it could be done. Made out of something like
a shiny material? I’m not quite sure what you
would call it
Russ: silk, satin?
Russ: yeah, she can do it but it will cost an arm
and a leg or in your case many cases of wine.
Kiri: uh-huh, okay. Because the idea is to help
somebody with a past life, well two somebody’s
Russ: uh-huh, Karra’s filling me in.
Kiri: uh-huh, you see the dress? Nice puffy
sleeves, nice hoop skirt….
Russ: oh yeah.
Kiri: uh-huh, done in a……
Russ: what are you doing? Showing her a picture or
something or just giving it to her mentally?
Kiri: yeah, giving it to her mentally.
Russ: oh, that figures.
Kiri: best way to do it.
Russ: according to her.
Kiri: uh-huh, it’s quicker and easier than me
punching it up and quickly scribbling it on the
keyboard. And the thing is that she’d have to do
it from somehow getting measurements without Mona
being aware of it.
Russ: it could be done.
Kiri: uh-huh. It would be a nice gift though.
Russ: it'd be a great gift.
Kiri: yeah. Oh by the way, there is no channeling
session next week.
Russ: yeah, he’s gone right?
Russ: of course.
Kiri: and the tape's getting close to ending.
Russ: that’s okay, we got a lot of stuff on this.
Kiri: yeah, we got about another ten minutes or
Kiri: which is just as well, I don’t think we’re
going to get Tia back.
Kiri: uh-huh, guess who just walked in the door?
Kiri: uh-huh and they're........Leah’s got…..
Russ: it is her.
Kiri: huh? She hasn't even looked over this way
Kiri: they’re busy talking on something at the
moment, they're standing in….
Russ: what happened to the idol worship of Kiri?
Kiri: oh she still worships me.
Russ: are you still on a pedestal somewhere on
Kiri: oh I’m still very much on a pedestal.
Russ: oh okay.
Kiri: very funny actually today. I’m standing,
reaching up on tiptoes, reaching with a laser
Kiri: and I've just finished, I’m still up there
on tiptoes and all of a sudden there’s......right
between my legs, kissed all over. Very enjoyable,
very enjoyable. And she still, no..…well they
started calling her the Ice Princess.
Russ: they stopped?
Kiri: no, they started really calling her the Ice
Princess and she’s actually loving it on the
quiet. She was sunning herself at lunchtime down
by the swimming pool and she was there in just her
panties, she'd taken her top off and everything
and she’s working her tan right? And she said that
she got hit on about six times.
Kiri: and that it’s very good for his self-esteem.
Russ: I’ll bet.
Kiri: but she’s developing the ability to
eavesdrop on the intimate mode a little bit right?
And the bet is that the guy that sleeps with her
or the girl……..everybody, they’ve got a pool going
and they are……..I think it’s up to something like
200 cases of wine at the moment.
Russ: whoever gets to sleep with her?
Russ: Tia won. Just say, "oh, I slept with her
last night", 200 cases of wine, ch-ching.
Kiri: no, they’ve got to be in the pool.
Russ: oh, well so, I’m sure Tia and Leah wouldn’t
mind dropping in the pool one time.
Kiri: Leah is not allowed in the pool, she’s not
even supposed to be aware of it.
Kiri: uh-huh. So yeah they've got this pool going
right? And the thing is that she says that all the
guys that hit on her did absolutely nothing for
her. She said there’s only one girl that did a
little bit for her and she was on the……..
THE TAPE ENDS