Archivist Notes: July brings us a channeling session
from the members of Ashtar Command on Hades Base
that once again puts a premium on giving us as much
higher dimensional knowledge as possible within the
space of ninety minutes. To that end, Karra works
with us on vitamins and supplements, Treebeard
sticks to devas and plants, Kiri reviews our
coercion practice before we get into a discussion on
Obi-Wan Kenobi. The great thing about that is we've
only covered side one but it's side two where things
get really interesting. Karra returns with a more
serious class on the ritual of healing, blows holes
in a possible hoax from the seventies, Kiri
speculates with us on the connection between the
Bermuda Triangle and Tibet finishing up with an
assignment to colonize the earth we've presented in
several podcasts prior to this one. We'd like to
thank Omal after the fact for breaking away from his
duties as base commander to come and channel for our
group. His knowledge and experience made this
another excellent learning experience. Now on to the
Karra is acting ring mistress
as the session begins until her sister can take over
so she grabs the nearest subject at hand which is
nutrition in this case. She has some great advice on
maintaining a varied diet without a lot of
carbohydrates while also pointing out the benefits
of herbs and bananas. We learn a lot from her about
vitamins and supplements which she said will only
provide the amount needed by the body and wash away
the rest. She relinquishes the channeling couch to
Treebeard who has been invited to discuss his
favorite subjects devas and the plant world. At
first, Treebeard answers questions on the
perceptions of devas and trees and confirms for us
what Omal had already revealed in a previous session
that devas were one of the seven races who were part
of the Sirian colonization of Atlantis. He
demonstrates how masterful he is at probing the mind
as he wraps up that he lays out the layers of the
questioner's mind down practically to the
subconscious. It's like watching open mind surgery.
Kiri gets back to take over as ring mistress and
it's reports on the coercion practice she assigned
which is the first thing to come up. She immediately
identifies where improvements can be made with
advice to simplify greatly the thoughts being
directed in mental coercion in a cyber cafe I
co-owned. For those without that skill, she even has
an answer for that by the use of vocal coercion. We
get to the end of side one deep into a discussion on
the coercion demonstrated in the original "Star
Wars" movie where Obi-Wan Kenobi controls the mind
of the Imperial trooper.
Kiri returns to her topic as
side two begins by reminding us how the type of
coercion used isn't important but that the proper
use of it is all that matters. Then it's her
sister's turn to speak and Karra this time agrees to
help understand the ceremonies and rituals that are
a part of many healings, even in a hospital. For our
purposes, she uses the term ritual as a way to bring
the person's consciousness up to the level of the
healer or at least meet halfway when healing
spiritually. What ceremony or ritual is used depends
on the belief system of the person and as an
example, she uses a sweat lodge as a way to do that
if the person was Native American. She takes it to
the next step of what to do once that level is
reached which includes helping the subject to do the
healing themselves. We finish out the time with
Karra by helping with advice for a friend of a guest
who had discovered a special ability. That growth
was being threatened through a mood which had grown
dark and it's a lighter atmosphere she suggests to
bring more light into her life. Omal gets to the
session at that point so Karra puts him for the
short time he can attend. We use that time wisely as
we ask questions concerning both the crystal pyramid
supposedly left over from Atlantis followed by a
debate on the truth of the Bermuda Triangle. He
easily blows through the hoax that had led people to
believe an Atlantean crystal sphere had been found
in the conflicting details related in what had been
reported. That area where it had been reported fell
within the Bermuda Triangle and while he was limited
in what he could reveal what had occurred there did
subscribe to the theory that pilot error was
responsible to even ships that had been reported
missing. He has to get back to the matter he had
left leaving Kiri to get us to the end of the side.
From her, we get an engineer's view at the causes of
the phenomenon of the Triangle and deduces it has
something to do with an
electrical, magnetic vortex of some kind. A
unique theory is put forth regarding the
Bermuda Triangle being one half of a
connection to Tibet on the other side of
the world. Curious if true and it would
explain a lot. Who's to say if a
solution to the mystery surrounding the
history of missing ships and plans were
due to such a simple explanation. We run
out of tape just as she completes
handing out an assignment heard on a
couple previous channeling sessions
about coming up with a colonization plan
involving 10,000 colonists.
It's a bit anti-climatic from the revelations
already discussed but would turn out to be a great
mind bender of organizational skills.
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(Karra takes on ring mistress
duties in the absence of Kiri)
Karra: okay, I'm temporary ring mistress.
of thrown on the........
Russ: bit of a surprise there.
Karra: surprise all around I believe.
Russ: oh yeah.
Karra: okay, where do we start? Okay, upcoming
visits in late July, you're aware of those?
Russ: uh-huh, Ashtar, Monka andÖ..
Russ: President Tanaka.
Karra: uh-huh and Lady Goroznik is coming.
Russ: oh Gonzo.
Karra: uh-huh.......Lady Goroznik.
Russ: oh Goroznik?
Karra: official visit.
Russ: is that her real name?
Karra: thatís as close as youíre going to get.
(Skip and Russ start laughing)
Skip: okay hon.
Russ: okay, that works.
Karra: okay, letís get down to business.
Karra: and weíve got all the formal announcements
out of the way. Let me see, letís start off with a
thing on eating well and dealing with frustrations
Russ: excellent, okay.
Karra: which youíre doing very well there hon.
Russ: thank you dear.
Karra: uh-huh, itís a team effort though.
Russ: I know, itís not just me sweetheart.
Karra: okay nutrition, high carbohydrate intakes is
not a good thing as a steady part of a diet. Eating
a wide variety of foods and low carbohydrate intake
is the best way to go to maintain. Fish oils, good
for the hair, good for the teeth, they also help
with cranial activity so there are a lot of
different foods out there which are very beneficial
for mental well-being. Bananas, very good for the
mind. So get your bananas, your potassium guys. Yes?
Russ: well I'm just making those plans.
Karra: okay, yes Russ, it can be used for other
things too. Also kiwifruit which has a lot of
potassium as do strawberries but the main thing is
to have a wide, varied diet. Keeping low the
carbohydrate intake because carbohydrate intakes,
they give you temporary energy but they also lay
down a very large amount of stored fat which if not
used tends to make the skin saggy and all the
problems that go along with that later on in life.
Also it tends to later on in life also give the skin
a liquid look. You know those large people that you
see that look like they're retaining a lot of water?
Karra: thatís enhanced by eating too high a
carbohydrate diet. We could go on and on and on and
about the benefits of herbs. The enjoyment of herbs
is also enhanced in the culinary activities
connected with the dietary phase. So if you use a
lot of rosemary, a lot of sage, a lot of thyme, a
lot of garlic, a lot of onions, that will help in
your diet and also in your healing processes. Okay
letís answer questions as I see I'm just drifting
along, maybe some questions will help to get the
topics flowing better.
Russ: okay, on the topic of diet then.....
Russ: where supplements come in for example,
multivitamins and things like that as a way to make
up for those things that are lost in case you canít
keep up a good diet or even if you can, are those
handy to have or are you overloading on them?
Karra: it depends on the quantities of the vitamins
that youíre taking in naturally. If you taking
vitamins in naturally, any extras are basically
washed out of the system but if there is missing
parts in the diet, then the vitamins and minerals
can be used in supplements but only if itís not in
the diet and only if itís a prolonged thing.
Vitamins are frequently misused. Your body will
absorb only as much vitamins as you need so if for
example you need 800 mgs ofÖ..thatís actually a
little highÖ..letís say 400 mgs of vitamin C, then
if youíre taking 800, the 400 will just wash out and
you will just use 400.
Russ: hmm, now howís your body know when to wash
Karra: it does it automatically, it has a certain
amount of vitamins that are washed out. For example
when you urinate, if you drink a lot of orange juice
you will notice that there is a different color but
the vitamins donít affect the color. But when you
urinate a lot, youíre flushing out more fluids and
the excess vitamins and things that you donít need.
Karra: vitamins are actually colorless, so are the
minerals except for the stronger ones which will
affect the urinary coloring.
Russ: uh-huh, okay.
Skip: does that go for MSM too?
Karra: uh-huh, your body will only take as much as
it needs, that goes for all supplements.
Skip: okay because our body needs that sulfur in our
Karra: yes it does.
Skip: and weíre not getting it through our food or
our milkís anymore.
Russ: I thought bananas had sulfur in them?
Karra: different kind of sulfur.
Karra: there are lots of different kinds of sulfur.
Skip: this is from what I understand okay? Itís a
sulfur thatís a T-bond for the cells themselves.
Skip: and it washes away allergies, arthritis, pain,
makes the skin softer and makes the hair and nails
Russ: and itís called MSN?
Karra: stop thinking of MSN.
Russ: sorry, it's a habit.
Karra: itís an Internet thingy. Okay but Skipís
quite correct that there are certain dietary things
that used to be in the diet that arenít in there
anymore where supplements do help but again I will
say that your body will only take as much as you
need. For individuals it varies on amounts, 400 on
the vitamin C is just a number.
Karra: it varies from individual to individual. Some
need more, some need less.
Skip: I take a thousand per day.
Karra: uh-huh so therefore any excess is washed out
of the body.
Skip: yeah, yeah.
Russ: whatís theÖÖ.?
Russ: I was going to say, whatís happens if letís
say we havenít had this MSM for all our lives.......
Russ: right? And then all of a sudden you introduce
it into your diet. Now howís your body know to
integrate that into its various applications?
Skip: because it needs it, itís lacking it.
Karra: uh-huh, Skipís correct.
Russ: so itís part of our genetic makeup.
Russ: so how many things areÖÖcould there be a lot
of things out there that we've never had but our
body could really use greatly for if we were to get
it all of a sudden in our diet?
Karra: yes but it depends also on your ethnic
Karra: certain minerals and vitamins will work
better on one ethnic group as opposed to another.
Karra: for example, certain oils and minerals that
come from whale blubber that can be got naturally
from other fishes but are more digestible for
certain ethnic groups than other ethnic groups. If
it comes in a way that is not for your ethnic group
it will take what it can but it is not enough.
Skip: but MSM used to be in our vegetables and milk
before they started homogenizing it and using
Karra: itís in all unpasteurized milk.
Russ: well what is it?
Skip: itís got a, itís got a name, chemical compound
name but I canít pronounce it okay?
Karra: okay anyway letís continue.
Skip: all right.
Karra: okay, Skipís brought up some very good points
that we will look into and we will give you a full
explanation in the next session.
Skip: okay thank you.
Karra: okay, any more questions?
Russ: not for now, you're the ring mistress so
you'll be back.
Karra: Iíll be back probably once more, maybe a few
times more, depends on what is going on with other
(Treebeard makes an early
appearance in the session)
Russ: greetings Treebeard.
Treebeard: greetings Russ, greetings Skip.
Skip: yes, greetings sir.
Treebeard: and how are we all this day?
Skip: just fine.
Treebeard: good, good. Okay, I know you have been
dwelling on numerous questions from our last talk a
few moments ago.
Treebeard: would you being of liking to ask of at
Russ: okay. Two nights ago I went out to the garden
and took out some candles and kind of had a little
ceremony out there for a devaÖ
Russ: to work on bringing good energy into the
environment and was starting to feel a nice change
Treebeard: it is being more of what was?
Russ: yeah, yeah, it seems to be, I donít know if
you'd call it a brighter green? Like when you look
out there it seems just brighter? You canít see
anything growing anything more but it just looks
brighter. I canít really feel it, I canít feel the
Russ: but itís a perception of brightness.
Treebeard: it is possible that devas are being
responding to offering of welcome being back.
Russ: and we gave it a good watering today too.
Treebeard: uh-huh, it is being of very important
that care be taken to take of plants. Plants being
part of calling for of devas. If they are being
neglected then devas feel same way and then things
start going not as wanted.
Treebeard: so being of importance that devas be kept
Russ: we're working on that. Trying to think of a
kind of like a little statue or something that would
be good to symbolize the life essence out there.
Treebeard: depending on what deva being present,
depending on whether or not would be of idea.
Treebeard: if it being of deva known of having such
then it may be welcomed. If not deva of that being
used to of statuary, then deva may get very
Russ: like one of those little pagoda looking
things, maybe put a candle inside and it lights up
but I can see where it would depend on the deva but
how do you get really in tune with it?
Treebeard: being sitting in peace and meditation and
feeling the energy with mindís eye deva will image
eyes. If no image then deva not wanting any such
thing but you have to being of careful of if it is
being of your mind that puts image there or if being
Treebeard: knowing difference is something that
takes of great skill.
Russ: being open and closing off your own
personality and ego.
Treebeard: that is being of correct.
Russ: hmm, well thatís always tough.
Treebeard: okay, you are waiting?
Skip: no, just listening and learning.
Treebeard: ahh, I thought I heard question forming.
Treebeard: okay, continue Russ.
Russ: okay. Devas are aware of us as only energy,
Treebeard: yes and no, remember deva being of
different perception of time?
Treebeard: so being in area for brief moment may be
moment when deva see brief moment as a eternity or
being of when deva see it faster than being of you.
Russ: right, which is kind of how if I was imagining
that kind of perception, then as you were talking
about a tree and its perception of us and a similar
view of a deva and its perception of us, then to a
tree we're almost like a brief flash of energy going
by in our 80 years or however long weíre with that
tree or corresponding.
Treebeard: could be as unnoticeable as gentle breeze
that you do not feel. For example I see on monitor
gentle breeze blowing of now in area you are being
in but you not feel gentle breeze until I mention.
Treebeard: that may be all noticing that tree or
deva being doing of you. Yes in part but it is
perception for deva and tree being hard for you even
with explanation to fully comprehend what is
perception for them. Even for being of myself it is
of difficulty with my age.
Treebeard: no, not being totally true, it being more
of a brief moment for them to be of flashing but not
of energy. It is more as I stated a noticeable,
Russ: hmm. Now one thing that Omal and I and Skip
here, Iím not sure if you were here for that
session, but we discussed the various races of
Atlantis and the fact that devas were one of the
seven races of Atlantis.
Skip: yeah I was here, yeah.
Russ: right and so we discussed how the fact that
devas from then could be existing now with no
problem at all. For them that lifespan would be
Treebeard: not so much of could be but being of
Treebeard: it is very high probability that devas
that being then are being now. Some may of being of
gone away elsewhere, others may being of new from
other locations because of devas saying go to such
place. But as stated, whether it is of great time or
little time is not of importance. The word time
being of irrelevance comes to of mind.
Russ: all right, so now the question I have
concerning that, is with such longevity and such a
almost mythical if not godlike abilities that they
Treebeard: pardon me, I am being reminded not to
interrupt with answer before you have finished
Russ: oh, sorry. Well the oration was basically is
how can we interreact.......I mean what is
their.......I should say, what is their goal? Their
purpose for us then throughout this existence of our
earth? They must hold a rather huge purpose for us
but I don't think we really see it in any kind of
sense that we can comprehend.
Treebeard: if I was being giving you of answer then
they would not have goal and objective or agenda
that may be working on so to give answer by saying
what I believe is their agenda serves very little of
Russ: hmm, so.....
Treebeard: they being having of their own agenda
which they may or may not be of telling but main
agenda being in my perception from my experiences
back home is more for helping of plants so you
achieve a higher of spiritual level.
Russ: actually thatís a very good answer for getting
Treebeard: but it is important to say that that is
Treebeard: I do not know answer for reason that
devas do not tell.
Russ: but still itís something to dwell upon as a
clue for getting our own perception of an answer and
also our own belief.
Treebeard: it is my belief, it is not what I think
they are of telling me.
Treebeard: it is pure conjecture of what I think and
feel that their agenda is.
Russ: let me put one last point on that then is that
helping the growth of plants helps in our growth of
Treebeard: simple answer for simple worded question.
(Russ starts laughing at Treebeard's answer)
Treebeard: but I could extrapolate and analyze the
question and come up with much longer answer but for
you being ofÖ..
Treebeard: yes, it is being best to give simple
Russ: okay, thatís workable.
Treebeard: okay, we have of more questions please?
Russ: with your own experience with plants.....
Russ: to them, are you not similar to being a deva
to the plants? Or myself helping the plants, do they
see the difference between the two?
Treebeard: as I stated, perception of time even of
my age, I am but flash in eye of deva.
Russ: oh, this is from the plant's perspective letís
Treebeard: no, because being of different corporal
form, it is a different stimuli that is being of
given to plant. It would be like saying that the
feline look upon you as a deity for supplying
warmth, comfort, food, love, affection as opposed to
someone that would be stepping on little ones and
treating with disrespect and hurting. Even not
thinking but they are being of hurting would be
looked upon the other side as a deity of darkness so
it is wrong to be of saying that.
Russ: I see.
Treebeard: for plant it is more of you are different
stimuli giving a reaction that is being of needed. A
caregiver as you are being of a caregiver yourself
even if not realizing what you are being of doing,
to some you are giving care that it is needed even
though they do not perceive without assistance that
they would be where they once were.
Treebeard: yes, that is what is needed.
Treebeard: you ask question.
Russ: oh well I was asking if do trees need to be
kept, even though we donít deal with trees,
experiencing as far as watering or anything, pretty
much we leave them alone. Still, weíre not cutting
them down or hurting them.
Treebeard: you are doing what is needed to be done
to word it differently.
Treebeard: sometimes my mode of being speaking is of
difficult to follow but it is just same so for me
being listening to your questions.
Treebeard: for me even though I have to be of
listening, I see much clearly more what you are of
saying and what is being not said in what you are
Treebeard: so sometimes being of necessary for me to
answer more than just of one question that is being
of spoken. So when you be listening again you will
hear also other answers that you were thinking of.
Treebeard: so by doing so it aids in what is being
thought as well as what is being said as in your
minds you have many levels of thought processes
occurring. There is on level, top-level what you are
thinking to ask. Underneath there is a level where
you are dwelling on what was said. Underneath there
is a level that you are dwelling on other matters
such as fiscal gains by working hard to spread
pleasure as my great, great, great, great, great,
great grandniece being of does. And again there is
another level where part of mind is concerning of
what was spoken earlier by Madam Ambassador and what
is needing to being of done so many thought
processes and picking right one to give answer is
easy but when thinking of others to answer those as
well aids in process sees for you when of later.
Russ: well itís a great teaching tool thatís for
Treebeard: thank you.
Russ: thank you.
Treebeard: I am honored to have of comment.
Russ: weíre honored to have you here with us.
Treebeard: okay, I will be of departing and hand
back to one who wishes to be known as Mistress of
Russ: okay but thank you very much for that
enlightenment on our levels of thought, Iíve never
really heard it put that way but youíre quite
correct. I donít understand it myself what it goes
through, I donít understand the process but you kind
of well put it in a nice form for people to
Treebeard: I make it as simple as possible. Now I be
Russ: okay farewell.
Skip: thank you Treebeard.
(Kiri takes on the ring mistress
role upon her return)
Russ: good to see you back.
Kiri: whatís wrong with my back?
Russ: I canít see it.
Kiri: oh good but you said welcome back? It was sort
of like, "whatís wrong with my back?"
Russ: good to see you back. You know Treebeard
actually peeled our thoughts away like onions the
way he did that, did you notice?
Russ: heís like, there is the onion, hereís one
layer, hereís another layer, hereís another layer,
well we got a long way to go until we get to the
core but yeah, there's all the layers. It's just
like, not bad, I was very impressed.
Skip: I donít he ever got to the core.
Russ: oh no, just the outer layers there, it was
Kiri: I think he just removed a few outer layers.
Itís fascinating to watch him at work when he is
being very maestroful.
Russ: oh yeah, itís like good control.
Skip: how you doing tonight young lady?
Kiri: Iím doing good.
Kiri: okay, Iím here tonight, Iím back on duty as a
ring mistress where I have my shorts onÖ..well
actually theyíre Tiaís shorts from when she was ring
mistress. Feel a little uncomfortable but they look
the part. I have my waistcoat on, I have my tall hat
and I have my whip.
Russ: good deal, excellent.
Kiri: actually itís a silk whip so itís nice and
gentle, keep everybody in line. Okay nowÖ..
Russ: herding the technicians all around the place.
Skip: yeah right.
Kiri: I have my coercion. Okay, talking of
Russ: ahh yes.
Kiri: okay, first of all I want a report from both
of you on your coercion.
Russ: hey, Iím rock Ďn rolling this week.
Skip: go ahead.
Russ: party, party, party. Working on my blocks of
time, people who never had them before, boom,
nailing them. But ten-hour block, I got one but it
was somebody who already had another block before so
I just got them to increase it so Iím not sure if
that quite qualifies but I got a lot of five-hour
Kiri: okay, people that normally have five bump them
up to ten, thatís the objective for next week.
Russ: I can do that.
Russ: now in the coercive form of that, Iím throwing
through the whole background, focusing being going,
"ten-hour block, ten-hour block, hey, ten-hour block
would be good, youíd like a ten-hour block and itís
only four bucks an hour."
Kiri: ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, I see your problem right
Russ: okay, thatís what I want to go over this, I'm
working little bit to get this down.
Kiri: okay, youíre making it a long sentence. Now
remember, letís put yours on hold for a second,
letís see Skipís report, letís see if we can kill
two birds with one stone because I donít have
Treebeardís capability, pity.
Russ: ahh well.
Skip: I wasnít supposed to do anything.
Kiri: yes you were.
Skip: no I wasnít.
Kiri: you were supposed to get somebody to do
something for you that they wouldnít normally do.
Okay, that will be your task for next week, okay?
Russ: we in school?
Kiri: uh-huh, everybodyís in school tonight. OkayÖ.
Russ: brrrpp, no star for Skip.
Skip: sorry I justÖÖ
Kiri: Iím trying to remember if I did tell Skip to
Skip: I don't think so.
Russ: I donít think youíd did actually, I think you
asked him, ďokay, what did you do, youíre supposed
to do that? And he says......you're supposed to get
a young person to do something he says, ďI did.Ē And
I said, ďbut I didnítĒ so you said, ďokay Russ,
youíve got to do this and sell it ten-hour blockĒ, I
donít think you went and actually gave him anything
Skip: no I don't think you did darling, thatís why
Iím kind of dumbfounded here.
Russ: yeah you had that look of shock like a deer in
the headlight look.
Skip: sorry about that darling.
Kiri: okay, for next week Skip youíve got to get
somebody to do something that they wouldnít normally
do for you.
Skip: all right.
Kiri: okay? Now Russ, getting back to Russí problem.
Okay what Russ is doing is can you please repeat
what you're doing?
Russ: I was working on them with theÖ...
Kiri: hold on. Skip you're going to help me here
point out what Russ is doing wrong. Remember what
coercion is. Okay, continue Russ.
Russ: okay, Iím working on them and talking to them
verbally but mentally Iím projecting, "ten-hour
block would be good, good with a ten-hour block,
four bucks an hour, hereís the benefits, ten-hour
block, let's push for that ten-hour." That kind of
Kiri: but you were thinking what?
Russ: ten-hour block.
Kiri: okay and just now you said that you were
thinking also that it would be good for them, itís
only four bucks an hour, is that part of the thought
process or is that what youíre telling them?
Russ: yeah, Iím putting it into a sentence kind of
Kiri: yeah, in the thought process?
Kiri: see what you're doing? Whatís he doing Skip?
Skip: heís contradicting himself.
Russ: I am?
Skip: yes you are. Donít put your price in there,
just think ten-hour block, forget what it cost per
Kiri: "ten-hour block, buy." Ten-hour block, buy."
Ten-hour block, buy."
Skip: that's it, nothing else. You got it darling.
Kiri: by putting all the extras and bells and
whistles, what you're doing is youíre muddying the
waters, you're adding distractions, youíre making
too much a thought process for them.
Skip: youíre pulling their attention away from what
you want them to do.
Russ: Iím glad weíre talking about this so I can
streamline this down a little bit and get it moreÖ..
Skip: ten hour block.
Russ: dialed in.
Kiri: ten-hour block to the point. "Ten-hour block,
buy." "Ten-hour block, buy." Because as I said, if
youíre putting too much emphasis on, it's four bucks
an hour, youíre giving them a lot to think about and
a lot of it is just goingÖ.
Russ: so Iím just directing my thought going
ten-hour block to the point.
Skip: thatís it.
Kiri: yeah, "ten-hour block, buy." "Ten-hour block,
buy." "Ten-hour block, buy."
Russ: okay, seems easy.
Kiri: uh-huh, coercion can be very, very easy. Now
when you get into the higher end of getting somebody
to totally do something totally under your command,
thatís when it becomes difficult and complicated if
you donít have the training. And Iím not going to go
into that because the training is very complicated,
very long and takes a lot of practice and mental
Skip: I got a question to ask you.
Russ: what a lead up.
Skip: how do I coerce somebody when I donít do it?
Kiri: okay, good question. A lot of coercion can be
done vocally, a lot of vocal coercion is done
through tones in the voice. Pure mental coercion,
different group, sub-group, totally different. Voice
coercion is by being of a persuasive tone, by making
the person feel that itís the right thing to do,
itís the proper thing to do. Thatís very simple,
basic coercion is manipulating somebody by what you
are saying. For example, my lead up to the question
that you asked was a simple demonstration of
coercive ability. Are you sure the recording device
Russ: double checking....
Skip: yeah, it's running.
Kiri: okay, must be getting pretty close to ending.
Russ: yeah we got movement, some ways to go though
Russ: yeah, probably like, looks like about five
minutes at least.
Kiri: oh okay, so Iíve got five minutes to kill. I
was watching the chronometer up here and itís saying
thereís a lot less time. Okay anyway, back to
coercion. The main thing is when youíre using the
voice is to use certain tonal frequencies, certain
gentle tones that it might be a good idea if you
come with me and help me with this. If you were to
stand up, walk over here and give me some
assistance. Or, by setting up a word structure of,
"let us look at what Russ was saying and see whatís
wrong, Skip you can assist me in that". That in
itself was an example of voice coercion.
Skip: then I did do that.
Skip: I mean since the last time we was together.
Kiri: okay that doesnít count, youíve got to do it
again because we didnít give you a project......
Skip: oh okay.
Kiri: because I was remiss and I forgot and I was
being a flake and I thought I had but I hadn't.
Skip: but I do it through voice coercion.
Kiri: uh-huh. Okay but you see what I did when we
were looking at your question to start off with Russ
was that I coerced Skip into assisting me by using
just my voice.
Kiri: I didnít use any capable powers, I didn't use
Mark's coercive ability, I didnít use mine, I didn't
use anybody's apart from my voice.
Skip: yeah, yeah, okay.
Russ: all right, I have a Jedi question. Now, Iím
sure youíre familiar with the "Star Wars" trilogy or
at least you couldíve looked in Markís
penguin-filled cupboards to find one and in that you
notice where like in the first movie, Obi-Wan comes
into town in a speeder with Luke and the guards stop
them and Jedi of course, Obi-Wan says, ďyou donít
need to detain this personĒ or whatever he says and
the guard goes, ďwe donít need to detain this
Russ: okay, now there was a perfect form of coercion
that my readers really want to hear about andÖÖ
Russ: how is it the Jedi is doing it, what is he
doing and is it possible to do it in real life?
Kiri: the impression that I got is that for the
entertainment they vocalized what he was actually
Kiri: that they put it in to vocalize his thought
processes, what he was actually thinking as opposed
to what he was saying.
Russ: hmm, so he was like thinking out loud.
Kiri: yes, thinking out loud but for the viewers to
be able to see what was actually going on. More than
likely my guess would be that he was actually
thinking, "you do not need to check the vehicle, you
do not need to check anything".....
Kiri: "those arenít what we're looking for".
Russ: right and when Luke says, "how did you do
that, I thought we were going to get caught for
sure?" And Obi-Wan says, "well the weak minded are
often susceptible to......." whatever.
Kiri: exactly but I think that whole entire thing
was so that people could understand what was going
on. Not so much as part of the plot but they had to
vocalize what was actually being thought and to
emphasize that they had the young man do or say what
Russ: now for somebody on this planet to use a
similar technique, they would have to be I would
assume a grandmaster class coercer to pull off
something in a similar vein.
Kiri: not necessarily.
Russ: really? Do tell.
Kiri: not necessarily. For example, by being a
strong-willed individual and being able to focus in
on what somebody is saying in such a way that youíre
looking at them......
Kiri: and you can perceive that where they are
heading on what they are saying, you can speed up
their process by giving them more of an interested
look when youíre actually thinking, "okay speed up,
faster, faster, I need to know where you're going".
Or the look of, "I'm interested but this is as
boring as hell, itís time to end it". Have you ever
noticed that sometimes people will be talking and
the person is looking at them very intently and all
of a sudden they just stop in mid-sentence? Itís
because the other person is either very bored by
what they're saying and they're trying to look like
theyíre interested. In fact what theyíre saying is,
"finish, stop, this is boring".
Kiri: and what the person actually does is stops.
Russ: well see thatís one of the reasons Iím trying
to get Mark to see the new Star Wars movie because
the Jedi in that use some very good techniques.
Kiri: uh-huh. Donít underestimate Mark's coercive
Russ: no I know but I mean it's just Iím watching
this going wow, this is some really good stuff to
learn from on proper use of coercion.
Russ: never once do you see them use it for personal
gain or anything, itís a very good demonstration of
Kiri: uh-huh, positive coercion is very, very
important. There is as I have told you in the past,
things that you do not do when you coerce. Not to
say that people will and weíve always been very,
very careful in how we word things so that there is
as little as possible of the ability to take what we
give you and then use it in a negative way.
Russ: hmm, anyway that was a very enlightening way
of looking at that.
Russ: itís good to hear that that is possible in our
life for just regular people.
Russ: I think itís a matter of being just awareness
Kiri: to a certain extent yes.
Russ: I mean itís how aware you are with the person
in the surroundings that youíre in is how well you
can even coerce them and working with them.
Kiri: and also itís the receptive ability of the
Kiri: as you brought up, a weak-willed individual is
a much more receptive vessel to be told to be quiet,
to shut down, to go away, to do whatever then a very
strong-willed individual or a very deep thinking or
a strong-minded individual. The weaker the
individualís mental capability or thought processes
or comprehension, the easier it isÖÖ.
(Kiri completes her conversation so her sister can
Kiri: I can think of quite a few individuals that
are so easy to coerce within both of you's
immediate sphere of influence that it would be
good practice to use that coercive ability to
benefit not just yourselves but them in their
advancement of awareness. Just using mental, not
saying, but using mental coercion.
Skip: uh-hmmm, because young people donít have
that strong will established until they get a
little bit more education.
Kiri: well Iím not just saying just young people,
Iím saying that there is a wide spectrum of people
within your immediate sphere of influence that
would be useful tools for you to learn how to use
that coercive ability. Even vocally in Skipís case
and mentally in your case Russ.
Skip: well I have an uncanny knack of being able
to talk my way into or out of just about anything
in the world.
Skip: and Iíve always had that.
Kiri: uh-huh, thatís because you know how to use
voice coercion in a way that is very beneficial.
Skip: never thought about it as coercion though.
Kiri: well if you look at the term coercion it
means to control something by your will. Okay, so
controlling somebody by your will by using your
Skip:. yep, yeah I got you.
Kiri: and using your mind to do the same thing isÖ
Kiri: okay. No Skip, Iím not going to tell you how
to build a warp core engine, don't ask me to do
skip: I love you darling, thank you.
Kiri: thank you, I love you too sweetie pie. Okay.
enlightens us on ritual healing)
Karra: okay, Iím back.
Russ: hiya darling.
Karra: hey. Okay, what weíre doing is weíre trying
to fill in here a little bit as we are short Omal
at this time.
Russ: hmm, was he supposed to show up tonight?
Russ: oh, thatís what I thought, I didnít think he
said he was taking off the week.
Karra: no, I didnít think so either.
Russ: he said he was doing the nap last timeÖÖ.
Russ: which we understood.
Karra: uh-huh. He should be here but Iím not
alarmed, he will show up.
Skip: no, don't worry about it, don't worry about
Russ: we'll fill in some time.
Skip: no big thing.
Russ: we have 45 minutes we can kill.
Skip: there you go.
(Skip and Russ start laughing)
Russ: go-ahead, you start the ball rolling darling
and weíll just follow right along.
Karra: no, Iím hoping that he will show up.
Skip: well if he does he does, if he donít he
doesnít. Weíll be disappointed butÖ..
Karra: Iíd say, this is fake wood isnít it?
Russ: yes it is.
Karra: okay so, letís see as weíre filling in
Russ: always have to be a ring mistress in these
Karra: Iím not the ring mistress, the real ring
mistress should back up.
Russ: oh I know, I just thought you were kind of
back for fun.
Karra: okay letísÖÖ..fun? Letís see, what can we
Russ: well we can discuss your diplomatic fun
games you have coming up here or we can go on to
more dietary supplemental things.
Skip: or if you want to go on to the physical,
spiritual healing bit you can go that way too.
Karra: okay that works.
Karra: physical, mental and spiritual healing.
Okay now what have we got so far? We have using
water to cleanse your handsÖ.
Karra: we have using energy balls.
Karra: we have using rituals. Have we covered
Skip: a little, maybe I wasn't present when you
covered them thoroughly.
Karra: well we can cover them again, itís always
handy to go over rituals. Now part of the healing
purpose of a ritual is to awaken the conscious,
spiritual side of an individual and also to bring
the two energy patterns into alignment where they
can work together. Sometimes itís necessary for a
healer to go down but sometimes a healer canít go
down that far so the healer will go down as far as
they can and bring the other person up to a
spiritual level that is close enough for the
healer to work from. Now depending on what
religious beliefs the individual is depends on
what religious practices the healer will use in a
ritualized ceremonial healing. Letís say you are a
Native American. Okay what you would do is to
bring somebody up or down to your spiritual level
depending on their level or their energy level is
that you would sit with them within a very hot
area which is part of the spiritualÖÖ..you would
call it I believe a heat house?
Skip: sweat lodge.
Karra: sweatÖÖthank youÖ..sweat lodge and in doing
so what youíre doing is youíre bringing them up or
down to your level as well as you moving up or
down to their level. That is part of the religious
practice that aids in the ceremonial and
ritualized healing. Now once you have achieved
that level then you can start to do the healing
process of the energy transference which in actual
fact what you're doing is youíre guiding their
energy and augmenting it with your energy into a
healing platform that they can use. Whether it is
more your energy than their energy is besides the
point, what youíre doing is youíre getting them to
focus the energy and do the work themselves. A lot
of healing rituals are designed to do just that is
that even though we have an unlimited supply of
energy to work with, it is limited by several
factors. One is our stamina, one is their stamina,
one is the mental condition that you're in, one is
the mental condition that they're in, one is the
actual health that theyíre in. These are just five
factors that have to be considered when doing a
ritualized healing. Also part of some rituals is
fasting or taking psychedelic drugs to aid in
bringing the mental awareness up or down so that
they can mesh with you. Now these rituals are very
important to some people, even in modern surgical
facilities itís very ritualized. Scalpel, forceps,
autoclave, suture, needle, forceps, swab, itís all
very, very ritualized in how things are done and
for a reason. Because even though the subject is
unconscious, the energy is being aided and flown
through the ritual. Forceps, scalpel, suture,
clamp, irrigate, swab, all these are part of the
ritual. Even in a modern setting with the lighting
and the sterilized table and the sterilized
equipment and so on. So the ritual, even if you
think itís not practiced anymore, actually is. If
you take into consideration such other practices
as listening to classical music whilst theyíre
doing the procedure or their favorite tunes of the
subject that is in healing or bringing them gifts
of flowers and sitting and talking with them,
thatís all ritualized if you look it how things
happen. OkayÖÖ..well all donít ask a question all
at once, itís overwhelming.
Skip: yes I realize that it is, Iím just observing
and dissolving on what you said.
Karra: I know.
Russ: well Iím working on how to change that
downstairs into a more energy center. Now that's
all pretty much all what it can be used for, what
it will be used for. So to aid in healing letís
say or to aid in meditation and to use your ritual
like you're talking about, how to set that up.
Skip: can I intervene here just a minute?
Skip: okay I was going to a lady thatís a graduate
Skip: physical, spiritual, healing graduate. The
room that she had set up had a table in it, her
desk, a radioÖ..a disc player actually is what it
was and two open windows.
Skip: nothing more to distract you but nothing
less to distract you. In other words it was
comfortable and she would play soft music while
all this was going on.
Skip: no vocal music, all instrumental.
Skip: it was very relaxing and she went through
her own physical ritual of hands-on healingÖÖ..
Skip: where she went the same route every time
thatÖÖ..you understand what Iím saying?
Skip: because thatís the way she was trainedÖ.
Skip: and itís part of her ritual.
Karra: exactly but the problem that Russ has
brought up is what do you want the room for?
Russ: well itís a multipurpose room.
Karra: thatís right, so you got the problem.
Karra: for healing you want a bright, light airy
facility. For meditation you want it fairly dark,
you want it comfortable, you want it warm so
therefore youíve got the conflicting structures
but I think we can work with that. One of the
important things is the energy flow, all centers
require a good energy flow, good being the
operative word. What you might think about doing
is moving exercise equipment out of that area and
putting it somewhere where it isÖÖbecause what
you're doing is you're creating a different kind
of energy that is not that compatible with it.
Skip: it distracts you?
Karra: correct, what Iím saying getting back to
the energy flow, it is important to have the
correct energy flow. Itís not a storage area for
clothing, it is not a storage area for
knickknacks, it is what you want it to be is a
healing, meditation, metaphysical area correct? So
thatís something that has to be laid out.
Russ: all right so we actually have to design it.
Karra: correct and then once it is being used for
that purpose, that is the purpose it is used for,
it is not a storage area. It is not a area to come
down, sit down and just be idle. It is an area
that you go to do your meditation, to do your
healing, to do your research on astral travel, to
do your various techniques and practices.......
Russ: I see.
Karra: but it is not an area for storage. I know
Iím harping on that.
Russ: no, no, no, youíre right, youíre right.
Karra: yeah. So having an exercise equipment in
there is also a distraction.
Russ: well I can get that out of there, that's
Karra: yeah, having a setup that is beneficial for
mental awareness and advancement is what you want.
So what you might try to doÖÖand hereís an
ideaÖÖis the little window, not the sliding glass
Karra: is get one of those curtains that comes in
a circle that you can draw open and closed.
Something like that would be perfect because you
can do your healing with beautiful light streaming
in through the windows, actually thatís a little
bit tricky with that window, it will give it more
Skip: and then do you meditation by closing it,
Karra: another thing to do would be to
specifically designate that as your domain.
Russ: right, well I set that the other day.
Karra: yes I know and it is totally your domain.
Coming and going to pick up the laundry is fine
but it is your domain, your private space.
Karra: you need that.
Russ: yeah I know, I'm just trying to arrange
things now. Well getting the exercise equipment
out will help a lot, won't be a clothes hanger
Karra: exactly. Okay talking of that, okay, the
motivation techniques that weíve used are working
Karra: not as well as I anticipated.
Skip: darling I got a question for you.
Skip: myÖÖyou have met (name edited).
Skip: okay? She told me something the other day
that just kind of floored me.
Skip: she has the ability to see inside of another
Skip: and to be able to heal it.
Karra: ahh, but what's she doing with it?
Skip: well it overwhelmed her so much because itís
the first time sheís ever used it that way. It
scared the living &^%$ out of her, letís face
Karra: also from what Kiriís telling me is sheís
getting a little dark as well.
Skip: sheís what now?
Karra: getting a little dark. I donít mean bad, I
mean sheís gotten a little dark in her moods.
Karra: she needs to be brought out of that before
it starts to reverse all the work thatís been done
Skip: okay, all right.
Karra: by your doctors and by yourself.
Skip: okay because she canít get up here, sheís
working now at a job where she has to be on a
Karra: ahhh, that might be part of the reason why
sheís getting dark moody.
Skip: it could be, it could be.
Karra: but what weíll doÖ..what you should do is
suggest that she goes out with her friend and
relaxes and has a girl's night.
Skip: yeah because she doesnít have a girlfriend
Karra: well she needs to get in contact with her
Skip: she needs somebody, she really does.
Karra: yeah, she needs a good friend to go out and
have some fun with.
Skip: yeah. Okay, thank you darling.
Karra: uh-huh. Okay, but what you can do is when
she comes over, you can make bright, cheerful
situations for her.
Karra: and tell her that being able to see areas
that need healing, seeing within the body is
something that is a part of her, that she needs to
become accustomed to controlling and seeing.
Skip: uh-huh, uh-huh.
Karra: the reason I am smiling is guess whoís just
(Omal stops by quickly from his
duties as base commander)
Omal: okay, greetings and felicitations. I
apologize for being delayed, there were certain
key matters that needed my attention.
Russ: youíre a busy man, we don't mind.
Omal: thank you.
Russ: no worries.
Omal: okay, let us get down to business, how much
time do we have left?
Russ: about half a tape.
Omal: okay, let us get through these things as
quickly as possible as I do have to return to deal
with the situation.
Russ: oh, okay, no problem.
Omal: okay, ask your questions.
Russ: oh, I brought that piece of paper.
Omal: ahh okay, let usÖ..
Skip: go ahead Russ.
Russ: okay, this is dealing with a incident that
happened in.......doesnít say. "Another unusual
crystal find bears directly upon the use of
crystals as the generator for the universal form
of power. In 1970, Dr.
Ray Brown, a naturopathic practitioner from
Mesa Arizona was scuba diving with friends near
the Berry islands Bahamas in an area 20 miles from
the edge of the submarine drop-off called the
tongue of the ocean. During the dive, Brown became
separated from his companions and in trying to
rejoin them suddenly saw a strange pyramid shape
looming up against the aquamarine light. The
pyramid was situated 22 fathoms down and stood 120
feet high with only 90 feet projecting out of the
seafloorís shifting sands. Brown was first struck
on how smooth and mirror-like the stone surface on
the structure was. The joints between the
individual blocks almost indiscernible. Swimming
about the capstone which the diver thought looked
like lapis lazuli, he discovered an entranceway,
decided to explore further. Passing along a narrow
hallway, Brown finally came to a small,
rectangular room with a pyramid shaped ceiling.
What was amazing was the room contained no algae
or coral growing on the inner walls, they were
completely spotless. In addition, though Brown had
brought no flashlight, he could see nevertheless
everything in the room perfectly. It was very
bright and well-lit with no direct light source
was visible. Brownís attention was drawn to a
bright scintilla rod three inches in diameter
hanging from the apex of the center and at its end
was attach a many faceted red gem which came to a
point. Directly below the rod and gem sitting in
the middle of the room was a stand of carved stone
topped by a stone plate with scrolled ends. On the
plate rested a pair of carved metal, bronze
colored hands life-size which appeared to be
blackened and burned as if having been subjected
to tremendous heat. Nestled in the hands and
situated four feet directly below the ceiling rod
gem point was a crystal spheres 3 Ĺ inches in
diameter. Brown first attempted to pry loose the
ceiling rod and red gemstone but neither would
budge. Turning back to the crystal sphere he found
it easily separated from the bronze hand holder
and left the pyramid with it. As he departed Brown
felt a presence and heard a voice from somewhere
telling him never to return. Fearing that his
unusual prize might be confiscated as salvage
treasure by the US government, Brown did not
disclose the existence of the strange crystal or
experience until 1975 when he exhibited the
crystal for the first time. He displayed the
crystal only half a dozen times but each time
witnesses have seen or been sensitive to strange
phenomenon directly associated with it. Deep
within the crystal form one gazes upon three
pyramidal images, one in front of the other in
decreasing sizes. Some entering into a meditative
or alpha brainwave state of consciousness are able
to clearly see a fourth pyramid in the foreground
of the other three." Itís about the Hall of
Records in Giza and the position of the three
images hold the key to finding the fourth.
Omal: what was the fathom depth?
Russ: I think it was 22 if I remember right. 22
Omal: 22 fathoms down andÖÖ
Russ: 6 feet a fathom puts it at a hundred and
twenty something feet.
Omal: he is lying.
Russ: oh really?
Omal: below a hundred feet you need to change the
mixture or deeper than a hundred feet have to
change the mixture of the oxygen regulator. If he
is not using the correct mixture, then he is
dicing with death.
Russ: hmmm, interesting.
Omal: 70 feet is the normal safety limit for
divers with unregulated tanks. The deeper you go,
the more pressure there is.
Omal: so therefore this is not strictly accurate.
If the report is indicating as it is that he was
at 22 fathoms?
Omal: then he is in the danger area and if he did
go into a temple, first of all I would assume that
he wouldíve realized the significance of the find
and not disturbed it but having been once told not
to return, taking an object from somewhere such as
that and as you stated he was a natural healing
Omal: he would understand that what he would be
doing is desecrating something of great
importance. So this sounds more like somebody has
taken a partial truth and has altered it and has
not checked their facts.
Skip: itís 132 feet is how deep that was.
Omal: then he is well into the danger zone.
Skip: way past the safety moment.
Russ: almost twice as bad.
Skip: because 80 feet is just the limit, no safety
at all, that is the limit.
Omal: that is correct. He is past the safety
limit. If he came straight back to the surface
Skip: he'd die.
Skip: because the nitrogen in his blood would turn
to bubbles and would kill him. You have to be
decompressed when you go that deep.
Skip: it takes about three hours to come back up.
Russ: from that deep? I always thought 120 feet
wasnít that far.
Skip: it is when youíre breathing oxygen or air
excuse me, not oxygen, air. They have to mix
nitrogen in with it to be able to breathe that
Omal: and still they have to come up and
Skip: yeah and then they have to keep changing
lighter formÖ..lighter mixture tanks and stay at a
certain level so that the nitrogen dissolves in
the blood and donít make bubbles to stop the
Omal: and the brain. Nitrogen entering the brain
is worse than an aneurysm.
Omal: what happens is when you come to the surface
is your body bends and thrashes around hence the
Skip: the bends. Rapture of the deep is another
name for it.
Skip: and thatís when you start seeing things when
you go down below the safety zone.
Omal: which is quite possible what may have
occurred in this case. ButÖ..
Skip: yeah, rapture the deep is like getting
hallucinations is exactly what is on account of
the nitrogen in the blood.
Omal: however, that does not explain the crystal
Skip: thatís right.
Omal: the crystal sphere could be a old sphere of
that fell into the hands of the individual and is
being used with the story to enhance its
reputation. But to go to that depth, this is a
fictitious story with smatterings of truths and
half-truths added in.
Skip: could be, could have grown over a period of
time that it was deeper than it actually was.
Omal: that is another possibility.
Russ: but still, you are asking......people are
asking a lot to believe in and.....
Russ: I mean thatís stretching it.
Russ: just because if we look at Atlantis and we
look at what the cataclysm that went through itÖ.
Russ: how are you going to get an intact pyramid
sitting there after what it went through? Even if
Skip: itís possible.
Russ: I suppose.
Skip: Iím not saying itís impossible okay?
Omal: you see what you are being asked to believe,
it is a lot of subjection, supposition,
information and it is a little too detailed.
Skip: sounds like a legend rather than aÖ
Skip: you understand what IÖ..
Russ: I have had no way to find the guy in any
kind of searches except for that little piece that
I just read you.
Skip: sounds like a legend.
Russ: I canít find him anywhere.
Skip: and a legend is always 90% untrue.
Russ: boy you would think there would be a big
Skip: yes, yes.
Russ: after something like this came to light. And
this is '75 years when he finally revealed it.
Well thatís 20 years ago. In 20 years no oneís
Omal: and the five-years gap between him finding
it and actually announcing it.
Skip: so in his mind it couldíve grown also.
Russ: right, how about the guy who took them out
diving? He knew where the guy was diving around.
Russ: I mean do a littleÖ..
Skip: in 1970?
Russ: 1975? Or 1970, right.
Russ: itís almost 30 years.
Omal: he would be able to locate approximately
where he was from his charts and possibly the
feelings of the water and so on.
Skip: well hereís another thing too, it all
depends on whether it was a scientific dive or it
was a recreational dive.
Russ: it was recreational.
Skip: if it was recreational, the man has no idea
where he took himÖ.
Skip: he just took him out to dive. Because they
donít mark it.......in other words they donít keep
accurate records of recreational dives.
Skip: they would if it was a scientific dive, they
would know exactly where he was going down.
Russ: right. But still yeahÖ..
Skip: Iím sorry, I was getting carried away.
Omal: oh thatís quite all right, you are bringing
up some very good points.
Russ: right. But see this is all going on the fact
that many people have always said that thereís
pyramids there, that theyíre causing the Bermuda
Triangle disturbances, thereís these big crystals
that are affecting planes and navigational things
Skip: you know thatís another big in my estimation
hoax. And the reason why I say this is because I
believe that thereís a magnetic, earth magnetic
field out there that spins peopleís compasses and
everything else and they wander off by not being
able to know where theyíre at.
Omal: a lot of what is in that area is credited to
supernatural phenomenon. As Skip has correctly
pointed out, a lot of it is stupidity, regardless
of what is there, a lot of what happens is because
of stupidity and superstition that they believe
and they assume that that area is caused by what
is there. Even if there is nothing there, which
Iím not going to confirm or deny.
Skip: well no thatís understandable but the
biggest thing that I see in almost every
Skip: of the reports that Iíve heard including the
aircraft that disappeared in that area, the
training aircraft, Army aircraft, their compasses
Skip: right away they start panicking. Instead of
flying in a straight line and they can see if
they're flying in a straight line. The same with a
ship, they know if they're turning the rudder one
way or another.
Skip: they panic and start running around in
Skip: because their compasses and their
instruments go off?
Omal: correct, Skip is very correct in what he is
Russ: so there's a natural phenomenon or there
might be an unnatural phenomenon but either way
Skip: well I say itís a natural phenomenon to most
Omal: regardless of what the phenomenon is, Skip
is very correct in saying that it is stupidity
that is causing a lot of these missing or
disappeared or whatever objects.......
Russ: hmmm, okay.
Omal: regardless of what has been there. Okay my
time is as I said limitedÖ.
Skip: oh Iím sorry.
Omal: ask a few more questions and then I
mustÖ..well ask one moreÖ.
Russ: actually thatís it for me, I'm going to let
Omal: thank you.
Skip: me too, go ahead, go ahead Omal. Thank you,
we appreciate it.
Omal: live long, prosper and Iíll be back.
Skip: thank you.
(Kiri gets us to the end of
Skip: a lot of it is stupidity.
Russ: yeah see, I won't know until I
actually.........if I go there someday and
actually feel it myself and then Iíll make a
Skip: yes darling?
Kiri: carry on, carry on, Iím listening.
Skip: from what I understand, now thereís no
feeling of whatís happening to these people from
all the reports Iíve ever heard about it. Itís all
the mechanicalÖ..whatís the matter sweetheart?
Kiri: Iím just looking around.
Skip: all the mechanical instrumentation that's on
board, whether it be a ship, a plane or whatever
it is go wacky, including their radios. NowÖ.
Kiri: as an engineerÖ..
Skip: weíre talkingÖÖwhat?
Kiri: as an engineer I can explain that.
Skip: go ahead darling.
Kiri: okay what has been given off is an
electrical, magnetic field.
Skip: thatís what I wasÖ.
Skip: trying to get at is a natural, magnetic
Russ: not possible, a natural, magnetic vortex
that big that can affect things.
Skip: why not?
Russ: because you have some kind of cause to make
Russ: give me a cause and Iíll tell you how that's
a possible effect.
Skip: all right, stop and think of how a North and
South pole worksÖ.
Skip: okay? It goesÖ.
Russ: earthís a giant magnet, I got that.
Skip: yeah, the earth is.
Skip: but it goes to a bell between them doesnít
it where thereís nothing? Itís two balls and they
go to nothing exactly between them.
Russ: hmm, okay.
Skip: thereís no magnetsÖ..
Russ: I donít know, Iíve never studied it soÖÖ..
Skip: okay, magnetism youíve got a positive and
Skip: on this pole.
Skip: youíve got an earth around it but the
magnetism itself does not go around the earth, it
goes like a ball to the center. The center is no
magnetism whatsoever, thereís no North thereís no
South, itís a neutral point. That neutral point is
damn near at the Bermuda triangle.
Russ: hmm, well wouldnít that cover the whole
Skip: no, it would not come out on the whole
earth, it would come out at one point because
thatís the way North and South works, it comes
down to a neutral and that neutral has to go
Russ: I donít get it. If North is up here, South
is here, then it comes to a ball together.
Skip: no, it goes to two balls together. Itís hard
to explain unlessÖÖbecause you can take an
instrumentation and go from on a magnetic rod
okay? And use a multimeter with megaohms? Really,
really high? And you can build a rod and when you
hit the center of the rod thereís nothing. When
you go the other way it goes back, the needle
swings back the other way.
Russ: hmm, so it's in a neutral spot.
Skip: there is a neutral spot.
Russ: would there be a corresponding one on the
other side of the earth then in one spot?
Kiri: theoretically I would say yes.
Skip: theoretically youíre probably correct.
Russ: so can we look for unusual events like maybe
Amelia Ehrhardt disappearing or something like
Skip: no thatís in the Pacific, that isn't exactly
opposite of the Bermuda Triangle.
Skip: the exact opposite of the Bermuda Triangle
would be on earth.
Kiri: itíd be in Asia.
Skip: itíd be in Asia. So, where do all your monks
go and llamas?
Russ: so Tibet you think is on the other side?
Skip: yes, Iím almost certain of it.
Russ: I'll have to look on my globe at home.
Skip: but I think itís almost directly straight
across the earth from the Bermuda Triangle.
Kiri: uh-huh, Iím very much inclined to agree.
Skip: and this is where all your monks and llamas
and everything else go to get their education and
meditate and study and everything else.
Russ: interesting, that would be a very
Skip: and nobody has ever come up with it before
Russ: no, nobody would ever think of that being
two neutral spots on the earth because of the
Skip: itíd be straight through, they would be like
a T through your North and South pole.
Skip: that would be your neutral that would be
coming out on the surface of the earth.
Kiri: so, if thatís the case on your planet, okay
letís extrapolate and analyze here for a
secondÖ..if you have two spots opposite each other
that is a natural vortex, one on land and one on
sea. Now the water would affect it in a way that
would cause massive magnetic disturbances. The
other one being up high and an area seldom flown
over and navigational instruments not being used
that much in that area, would not notice the
effects as much as a lowland area that is traveled
over and through frequently. So, the recorded
instances of missing or strange occurrences would
be higher in an area where it is more densely
traveled and populated then a sparsely less
traveled area. So the thing to do would be to look
at the strange occurrences of monks levitating,
higher astral travel capabilitiesÖ..
Kiri: telepathy, creativityÖ..
Kiri: would be correspondingly high to the
quantity of missing or strange occurrences on the
Kiri: if the location was high and on dry land, I
think the same sort of effects would be occurring
but because it is not a habitated area but a
traveled area as opposed to the other one not
being as densely traveled, then the events would
be equally proportionate in both areas.
Skip: in other words youíve got a positive and
Kiri: not necessarily positive or negative, they
Skip: not in electricity hon, not in electricity,
Iím talking about inÖ.
Kiri: the electric, magnetic field.
Skip: no, in life itself.
Kiri: oh, correct.
Russ: well wouldn't compasses go kind of nuts in
Tibet then too?
Skip: they might just do that but like she says,
it isn't a traveled area that much and they donít
even fly over it.
Russ: I mean what if you just have a compass in
your hand and youíre walking around in Tibet?
Skip: yeah, it would probably go ape shit on you.
Russ: think so huh?
Russ: so we have records of that possibly?
Kiri: possibly yes.
Skip: we probably do but nobodyís ever pursued it
Kiri: because they probably would come up with an
explanation that would go something like this.
There is a high mineral deposits in that area
which should be investigated for mining. Or a
possible meteor strike if itís in a cratered area
of a natural crater type arrangement.
Russ: yeah but weíre looking for specific.....
Skip: specific, yeah there
Russ: events related to compasses so therefore we
would ignore such simple explanations.
or instrumentation of anyÖÖ.
Russ: or whatever.
Skip: magnetic origin.
Kiri: actually, there may be a way of finding out
if thereís anything strange going on in that area.
Skip: you mean I've opened up a can of peas?
Kiri: well, thereís a way of finding out if there
is a higher incidence than normal of airplane
crashes in that area that could be attributed to
malfunctioning navigational equipment.
Skip: there you go.
Kiri: Iíve got a way of finding out.
Kiri: Russ, so do you.
Russ: of course, e-mail.
Kiri: correct and this is a clue, look for the
second world war, the
Russ: hmm, okay.
Kiri: the hump.
Skip: yep, would you let us know darling?
Kiri: oh Iíve got it accessing right now.
Skip: okay, thank you.
Kiri: youíre welcome.
Skip: maybe I did open up something.
Kiri: oh you did, you opened up a can of worms in
a very good area ofÖ..something that both of you
can do research on.
Russ: now hereís another question for you love.
Russ: wouldn't this be not a unique phenomenon to
earth but on other planets as well?
Kiri: ahh, we're dealing with Earth, not other
Skip: why not?
Russ: thatís the question Iím wondering.
Skip: if it works here why canít it work
Russ: why wouldnít Mars have something like that?
And if that was true, would possibly be those
pyramids on Mars be someplace that might be a good
explanation for aÖ..
Skip: a vortex.
Russ: vortex there? Absolutely.
Skip: and the face.
Russ: and the face, two faces.
Russ: so, youíd have to look on the other side of
Mars from that direct point to find the otherÖ..
Russ: vortex, which would be interesting to see
whatís on that side.
Russ: hmm, interesting.
Russ: Kiri, whatís your feelings on the matter?
Kiri: feelings? I donít have feelings.
Russ: yeah right.
Kiri: not on those matters anyway.
Skip: thatís a good one to open up.
Kiri: uh-huh, I think so too. We're almost at the
end there arenít we?
Skip: yeah I think so darling.
Russ: now wait a minute, hereís another point for
you to consider. Why would anybody want to set up
a very large civilization on a continent with
crustal instabilities unless you had perhaps
something that would be attracting you to put a
Kiri: or a colony there.
Russ: or a colony there.
Kiri: okay that brings up some very good points.
Now okay, letís give you another little project,
one that's going to be for a month okay? I want
you to plan the colonization of your planet. Where
would be the ideal place now to colonize? Now
remember itís got to have a good food supply, good
climate, good mineral supply, safe environment,
stability, itís got to be situated somewhere where
the growing season is going to be long enough but
thereís got to be enough precipitation to aid in
the growing process. What I want you guys to do is
to write out a fullÖ..or not a full write outÖÖbut
make a full explanation on an area that you would
colonize on a barrenÖ..not on a barren planetÖÖon
a planet that is your planet and there is nobody
on your planet.
Russ: how big is this colony?
Kiri: letís sayÖ.
Russ: give me a number of people I can work with.
Kiri: letís say 10,000 people.
Russ: 10,000, okay.
Kiri: enough of a logistical problem to give you
some headaches. Youíve got to find a location that
would be ideally suited for a colony. You got to
take everything into consideration. Climate, land,
weather, food supply, water supply, mineral
supply, agricultural supply, accessibility,
inaccessibility, defense, everything.
Russ: why, is there other tribes out there trying
to take you over or something?
Kiri: no, itís a colonization of a planet.
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