The Gonzo Interview- Channeled (12/12/95)

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Archivist Notes: This month we get a rare treat, a chance to answer questions about earth in our interview with the bond mate of the president of Sirius. There is a little back story to how this session came about. Kiri and Karra's father was not yet the president but was in the process of bonding with someone he was very much in love with and she had come to Hades Base alone prior to the wedding to meet everyone. Earlier in the week on an astral visit to the base, Kristie or Gonzo as she was known had arranged for us to have a private meeting where I filled her in on earth and the third dimension, new concepts for her. Her interest not peaked, she had joined the speakers on the base to ask more questions during the session and answer a few as well. The only other fact worth noting was that this was one of the very few sessions where Omal was unable to be present due to a Council meeting that could not be skipped.

   Tia gets things going with some of the new things she had learned in her new job of data analysis of the goings on down here on the planet. Because of that we hear about the crime rate in South Africa, political maneuverings in Russia and some interesting facts about the history of the country of Georgia. She ends her time with a lesson on the gift the Iroquois people gave our country all of us in the United States has benefited from for hundreds of years and a reminder for us not to lose our national identity. With no Omal, Kiri takes his place as the second speaker and demonstrates her coercive ability on two of us in the room at once before going on to explain how she did it. She next reviews the famous men of history who also wielded quite of bit of mass coercion in the way they spoke to crowds of people. She gets us to the end of side one by going over the morals of coercion and what can happen when a coercer with a megalomaniac's ambition tries to use the gift in a negative manner. Lose control of it and will try to take control over you.

    Kiri switches topics as side two starts out with her now going off planet to explore with us the same topic of coercion but from the historical standpoint of Sirius in how it relates to the similar transition of dimensions they went through which earth is now experiencing. A comparison is sought by the group for the Great Pyramid of Sirius that aided the ascension of Sirius with various examples given as food for thought. Also given to us as food for thought is her reminder that the religious setup on Sirius is about a hundred thousand years old so we are at a bit of a disadvantage with our multitude of religions and beliefs. It's Karra's turn to nudge her sister out of the channeling chair and take her place to do a healing and give a lesson at the same time. Due to the stationary placement of the mic, the sound of the talking during the healing is very low as Karra moved to the person in question being healed. After she is done with the healing we learn the different effects cold and heat have when applied to a swollen limb. With a special guest speaker to go, Karra ends her time so the rest of the side can be devoted to the speaker. That speaker of course is Gonzo preparing for her wedding but taking some time during her visit from Sirius getting a fitting for her wedding dress to answer questions about the sixth dimension while asking questions about the third. It was a rare treat to meet someone without any prior knowledge of our world to any extant or the third dimension. Her curiosity was charming to watch and she answered all the questions about her life put to her. Her shyness led to a decision where Kiri would speak for her since she spoke Sirian and relay the questions telepathically back to Gonzo. She had a fascination it seemed with the high desert and plants like cacti and we provided what answers we could. Most of our questions to her were from the third dimensional guests that night so we got to learn about her interests back home on Sirius and learned about the very few differences between Sirians and humans. It was interesting to also meet someone with any concept of crime. How do you explain something that is so universally understood on this planet to someone of a planet where it is a totally unknown? As the side winds down we end learning about what my role would be in helping Gonzo while on the base and also why it is she nor Kiri nor Karra or Tia can come on a visit to earth.

TIA Ring Mistress MARK (Channel)
KIRI RUSS (Archivist)




2.)(7:20) Karra does both a healing demonstration and a hands-on training session for me on one of our guests who had a knee that had been clipped by a car.

3.)(16:12)- Kiri asks and answers questions from Gonzo who is unfamiliar with all things 3rd dimensional or related to earth as she was only visiting the base prior to her wedding to the president of Sirius.

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(Tia handles ring mistress duties and gets us started)

Tia: well, I could out stubborn any of you.

John: out stubborn?

Tia: uh-huh, I can sit and wait and wait and wait until somebody speaks.

John: oh, well I waited for the time to be right.

Tia: ahhhh, that’s your answer huh?

John: yeah, I was the one who spoke wasn’t I?

Tia: yes you were the one who spoke but Russ was waiting for me to say something weren't you Russ?

Russ: I believe.....yeah, that’s true.

Tia: we could have sat here all night and not said a word, I can out stubborn anybody.

Russ: probably out stare me too.

Tia: uh-huh. Hello David.

David: hello.

Tia: how’s it going?

David: oh fine.

Tia: you don’t sound fine.

David: well, I’m having a hard time at work.

Tia: tell Aunti Tia all about it.

David: all about it?

Tia: yeah, come on let’s hear.

David: well, we finally get snow and I just happen to have a messed up knee that nobody wants to fool with or something.

Tia: we'll be working on that tonight when she gets here.

David: what the hell’s your problem Calvin? Sorry about that.

(one of the house cats)

Tia: that’s all right, he’s just feisty, he knows who’s in the room.

John: yeah, he gets real excited when she’s here.

Tia: uh-huh, yeah. Okay Omal can’t here tonight, he has a Council meeting which means that Korton won’t be here either but I have scheduled a person of interest.

Russ: ahh, yourself?

Tia: yes of course myself primarily.

Russ: that's what I thought.

Tia: we will be working on the healing and coercion. Do we have any questions?

Russ: you heard the tape, how's it sound?

Tia: I could’ve done with it in speaking a little bit louder but that will be mitigated due to the fact that they would be wearing headphones.

Russ: ahh true.

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: okay good.

Tia: and you got my tape that I did for you all right then? One that I sent over late, late, late Saturday and it got there Sunday morning?

Russ: yes I did get it.

Tia: uh-huh, fascinating.

Russ: uh-huh, good regression.

Tia: uh-huh, not a total deep trance or as deep as it should be.

Russ: well I disagree but I don’t want them to be in a deep trance, I want a light trance.

Tia: yes.

Russ: Mark goes into deep trances.

Tia: uh-huh but he had a little bit of his wishful thinking mixed in with it. Okay, next question from Johnny.

John: with shielding and coercion….

Tia: uh-huh.

John: now when I’m shielding myself against you or someone here in the third dimension…

Tia: uh-huh.

John: so is that a form of coercion......

Tia: no.

John: before you harass this poor feline?

Tia: you would need to talk to Kiri about coercion, shielding we’ll cover in a minute. In the meantime, do you have a question David?

David: no.

Tia: okay, more questions or are we going to sit here and look at each other all night?

John: so why is your buddy Mark so British?

(Tia chuckles)

Tia: why are you so American?

John: because I was born and raised here.

Tia: why are you so American David?

David: I’m not.

Tia: are you sure?

David: uh-huh.

Tia: what makes you say that you’re not?

David: because, I don’t like what America has turned into.

Tia: but one person can make a difference.

David: oh and I will.

Tia: uh-huh, just don’t think yourself a five foot four little corporal with a short mustache, that would be the worst thing that you could ever do.

David: oh no.

Tia: the only way to really change something for the better is through harmony, through changing people’s opinions. Not overnight but slowly, little by little.

David: I don’t want to change people’s opinions.

Tia: well that’s how you bring back the morals, that’s the word I was looking for.

David: hmmm.

Russ: hmm, so how’s your new position darling?

Tia: it’s a lot of work, I’m glad that I have somebody above me actually.

Russ: why is that?

Tia: because they do all the compiling… frees me up a little bit now that I have a lot more work to do.

Russ: hmmm.

John: excuse me I needed clarification here, you’re talking about a sexual position?

Tia: no, covert operation thingies and I’ve uncovered some very interesting things actually. For example, the crime rate since the end of apartheid and the election of Nelson Mandela has gone up, guess how much?

Russ: 30%.

David: the what has?

Tia: the crime rate.

David: the crime rate has gone up 30%?

Tia: how much do you think it’s gone up by?

David: well I wouldn't, I don’t…..

Tia: guess.

David: I can’t.

Tia: okay.

David: since Nelson Mandela has been president?

Tia: uh-huh.

Russ: what’s he have to base it on?

David: I wouldn’t have guessed it had gone up any.

Tia: yeah, Johnny?

John: 70%.

Tia: Johnny is very, very close. It’s actually 75% since Mandela has become president of South Africa.

David: the crime rate’s gone up?

Tia: 75%. So…….

Russ: how’s that break down in the various crimes though?

Tia: various crimes? The violent crimes have doubled.

Russ: were they assault?

Tia: yes assault, burglary has almost tripled.

Russ: what I wouldn't give to be an alarm salesman down there.

Tia: suburban communities, that is black and white, they now have what they call rape doors which is they put over bedrooms. They have alarm systems up the yin yang and it’s not working, they have fenced off areas and it’s not working.

John: and it’s not going to work is it?

Tia: no, until they become more unified……

John: okay, since we’re speaking about other countries, I mean I don’t know if you have anything else to say about South Africa but I’m concerned about Europe and Eastern Europe….

Tia: uh-huh.

John: and what used to be known as the USSR.

Tia: ohhh yes.

John: ahh yeah, it’s a very volatile situation right now in the whole area and it could get very complicated.

Tia: oh it is getting complicated.

John: could we get some insight from you on this?

Tia: yes, I will give you a little piece of interest. Kazakhstan is getting very jumpy, it’s boiling nastily. The Chechen Republic which is very close to Kazakhstan is getting very tweaky, Ukraine is having problems, Russia itself seems to be quite okay at the moment.......

David: what about Zhirinovsky’s popularity?

John: what about the coups and the overthrows in Russia, the attempts? The political....I mean there’s a lot of…....

Tia: I’d like to hear David’s question first.

David: how is Zhirinovsky’s popularity doing?

Tia: it’s climbing, it is climbing. He holds certain persuasive techniques that he uses.

David: like that guy with the little small mustache right underneath his nose?

Tia: uh-huh.

David: that’s who he reminds me of.

Tia: well he has a lot more experience in it than the little corporal did. I don’t think he will go quite that way but however with that area…….

David: he’s already talked about genocide on a couple different cultures.

Tia: uh-huh but they all talk about it in that area. You take the Georgians for example, they’ve been practicing it on the…..what’s that tribe down there? Azerbaijan?

David: uh-huh, Azerbaijan?

Tia: thank you. They’ve been butchering each other for centuries there. If you go back to Georgia, there was a great tribe there at one time that had very strong influences throughout that whole entire area about 3,000 years ago all the way down into Greece and the Greeks wrote about them. Anybody can guess what that tribe was?

Russ: Mongols?

Tia: no. I’ll give you a clue.

John: archers?

Tia: getting close.

John: the name Ottoman came to mind for me.

Tia: a little bit before the Ottoman time. The only thing that I can say that would be another clue is the stories of them removing a part of their body to aid archery is total......(blows a raspberry)

Russ: she means Amazons.

Tia: uh-huh, they did exist and they had great power in that area.

John: okay so you’re talking about precursors to the Ottoman tribe.

Tia: well we’re talking about precursors to quite a few things in that area actually but what happened was that they were suppressed and their tribes were overwhelmed and they become a small tribe where the males became more dominant. In a way this is a genocide.

John: yeah the Georgians.....

Tia: uh-huh?

John: how about the country of Georgia right now, aren’t they very unstable?

Tia: that is why I brought them up. They are very unstable, they’re always attacking and fighting amongst themselves and causing lots of problems and also they do have a nuclear capability there because some of the bases are in their area so they’ve got to be watched very carefully. Let’s get back to the various political, activist generals and so on that are trying to get in power. Now I don’t see the generals that are running at the moment actually getting much in the way of power. They may get elected to a seat in their government, they may become a leader of a party but I would see more of a ex-communist politician coming to the foreground because communism in that area is very necessary. I’m not saying that it works but people there need to be dominated. If you take for example the Greeks and their saying that it is best to have a democracy with a benevolent dictator, that’s what the people of that area need is somebody that is strong that can lead them down the right path whereas if you have a party system, they cannot enact their long-range plans because they’ve got to be reelected or somebody else is elected that has a different idea and they cannot enact their long-range plans. That area does need long-range plans for it to work. It is one of the areas where a democracy or a Republic doesn’t work.

John: and what about the plans with certain aspects of the peoples and the military there to force a Republic or a Democratic….

Tia: I think I have just addressed that with the explanation on long-range plans that they do need somebody very strong like a czar that can run the country without having to worry about political changes every four or five or six years. Are you comfortable there?

(speaking to a cat)

Tia: okay next question, ahhh she’s arrived.

Russ: when you look at South Africa and you look at Eastern Europe….

Tia: I do?

Russ: and you compare it to the United States, what similarities are you going to find?

Tia: tribalism for one thing, technology for another. Tribalism and references to the various tribes in South Africa and the tribes in the countries of the former USSR and your own country. Now what are your tribes here called?

Russ: Crips and Bloods.

Tia: uh-huh, gangs is a much better…...

David: it's not always gangs but not all of them consider themselves gangs.

Tia: yes but they are huge networks of individuals closely linked, sometimes by blood, sometimes through intrigue and so on and they are very tribalistic.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: technology, let us take that. Okay South Africa doesn’t have a very high technological level except for in their mining technologies which is the envy of the world however because of their problems with their tribalism that is dying. Now the former Soviet Union, very high-end technology, very well advanced, the same as your country. But these things are hindrances because it takes away the personality of the people and the tribes. It can be useful with the tribalism to take away the personality and the aggressive nature to a certain extent but there again it is also survivalism of that particular group. For example, if you take a tribalistic group, let us say the Wappo. Anybody know what the Wappos were?

John: no.

Tia: Russ?

Russ: Italians?

Tia: no. Johnny, you know.

John: nothing came to mind right off hand.

Tia: they are an extinct group of native North Americans indigenous to the Napa Valley. I only know that because Mark told me.

John: the Wappos?

Tia: uh-huh and they recently became extinct because they had been assimilated and lost their culture. So technology can be a tool for exterminations of differences.

Russ: hmm.

Tia: another tribe, I think it’s the Mohicans? Mohawks.

John: yeah.

Tia: they’re very few in number aren’t they now?

John: there's a lot fewer than what there used to be.

Tia: uh-huh.

John: I mean they used to cover….

Tia: a very large area.

John: a very, very large area.

Tia: and what did technology do for them?

David: not a damn thing.

Tia: in fact it was a hindrance.

John: it led them to their upbringing especially since they were on the East they had a bigger impact than the Western tribes did.

Tia: Western tribes got butchered even worse. You take your local tribe, the Shoshone? No.

David: Washoe.

Tia: Washoe, thank you, thank you, knew you would come in handy for something.

(David chuckles)

Tia: what happened to them? They’re still here, there’s still a few of them, not as many as there once was a while ago……isn’t that a song or a part of the song? But they are still surviving just barely. They’ve been stopped from coming to their religious places so what did technology do for them? However, you take the Cherokee, certainly technology at first was very bad for them but now look at them.

John: they’re rebuilding the Cherokee nation.

Tia: that’s right. You take the five nations up in I believe it’s New York, Massachusetts? Can’t think of their name, keepers of the sacred light?

John: Algonquin?

Tia: could be, could be.

David: Iroquois.

Tia: thank you.

John: yeah Iroquois.

Tia: now, they gave your country something of great importance, anybody know what it is? Okay who knows the preamble to your Constitution?

David: I know some of it.

Tia: okay, how does it go? And speak up in a loud, crisp, clear voice.

David: oh boy, something about guarantee the people a Republic…

Tia: should I start? "We the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect union." Do you know where that comes from?

John: I think it’s European.

Tia: "we the tribes of the Iroquois guarantee" and it goes on and on and on. "A franchise and so on for the people of the Iroquois." That’s the biggest gift of any Native American tribe to your country.

John: ahh, interesting.

Tia: uh-huh. Even in the drawings they have their Constitution shown, that long thing that they unroll. Anyway I’m hogging too much time here.

Russ: uh-huh.

Tia: any last questions? Let’s start off with David.

David: no.

Tia: Johnny?

John: even though we all come from different tribes, isn’t the key to this that we're all one people and more than just being Americans or British or German, we're human beings, we’re earthlings?

Tia: yes.

John: isn’t that the……?

Tia: that is the point but do not lose your racial identity. If you remember the discussion we had some weeks back about what are you? David, what’s your nationality?

David: mostly British, I've got a little bit of Indian in me, Choctaw.

Tia: Johnny, what is your nationality?

John: earthling.

Tia: hey.

Russ: third dimensional being, third planet from Sol.

Tia: oh, aren’t we being a little facetious tonight? First of all you are of the planet Earth, secondly you are Americans. You were born and raised in your country, in this country. Anyway, I’m getting nudged here, I’m going have to put on the next person.

Russ: what about my questions?

Tia: okay what about your question?

Russ: I’m borrowing one of David’s. What are the odds of us getting the whole solution to world peace figured out and two seconds later a Vogon construction fleet showing up?

(snickers from Tia)

Tia: (says goodbye in Durondedunn)

Tia: and to Russ……..

(says something else in Durondedunn that is probably a swear word)

Russ: bye love.

(Kiri comes on in the place of Omal)

Russ: hi Kiri.

Kiri: yo, dudes. Okay......oh I’m terribly sorry, you shouldn’t make yourself so comfortable.

(speaking to a cat she had disturbed)

Kiri: now to answer your coercive question, how are you feeling?

John: how am I feeling?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: I’m feeling fine.

Kiri: how are you really feeling?

John: a little under the weather and…..

Kiri: a little bit down and…….

John: a little bit down and depressed.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: yeah I don’t have no money, I don’t have no honey, my truck’s broke, I don’t have a full-time job, oh yeah it’s been a…..intense, stressful situation for me, no doubt about that.

Kiri: now what makes you so talkative?

John: well you asked me a question, I wanted to be honest.

Kiri: uh-huh, why did you want to be honest?

John: because you asked me a straightforward question and I believe the more honest we are, the further I can progress from a third dimensional state to a sixth dimensional state. The more knowledge I obtain, the easier my progression will be.

Kiri: what is that look for Russ?

Russ: well I know where this conversation is going, I'm getting some more tea, want some love?

John: yeah sure honey.

Kiri: oh you’re going as well? I was just giving you a demonstration on coercion.

John: oh were you?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: I’m going to coerce myself another cup of tea.

Kiri: I just opened him up and had him talking like a book and what does he do? Runs off, doesn’t thank me.

(sighs in mock exasperation)

Kiri: so how are you doing David? Yes I’ve heard all about your knee problem, I’ve heard all about your disappointment about the ski season so far……oh snowboard season? Sorry.

David: yeah, I'm trying real hard not to be a stressful person.

Kiri: you ought to take a lesson from Mark, he’s very stressful at the moment. Thank you.

Russ: my pleasure.

Kiri: second question, why did you get up and get me a cup of tea?

Russ: oh because I wanted one.

Kiri: came on you didn’t it?

(Russ starts singing)

Russ: I got the Kiri blues.

Kiri: two at a time, I’m getting good, I am the champion. Now, back to shielding against coercion. Against me using Mark’s energy you’ve got a tough time. Me against you person-to-person, no joy. However……

John: what did you say, no joy?

Kiri: yeah, no joy.

Russ: an English expression for no kills on a mission.

Kiri: okay, now coercion. Now, what you have to do is focus on somebody as thus right? Think a thought and to start off with we suggest like come, go, sit, stand, tea, drink, lie down, stand up, walk, talk and so on. You think this one word, you visualize the word. For example, talk and you look at the person and you get them to talk or stand, right? You visualize the word in your head, you visualize them standing up and what do they do Russ?

Russ: well they tend to stretch their legs, that’s when I do it.

David: at least you got him to move.

Kiri: uh-huh, he’s part of the way there. All sorts of things, you think of one word, you visualize it in big, mighty big letters and you look at them and you smile and you get them to stand.

John: can we skip over the preliminary’s and like make someone’s head blow off their body?

Kiri: no, no.

John: oh okay, so I guess I’m going to have to start with the simple techniques first?

Kiri: that’s right. Now there are certain ground rules because coercion can be used to get one’s personal gain. If you are a great orator, take for example……you seem to have a thing about the guy with the mustache and the short attitude and the corporal.

David: I think he was an insane idiot.

Kiri: but he was a very strong coercer.

David: oh I really like the way…..he was a good orator.

Kiri: uh-huh.

David: he was just a maniac but he was a genius maniac.

Kiri: yeah, the border between genius and madness is very narrow. Another person, Joseph Stalin……very great orators, Winston Churchill, Roosevelt, Lincoln, all great orators. All very good at communicating to get people to believe their ideas. It is also in the way that they carry themselves, notice that they all stand up straight, they don’t slouch when they talk. They talk with passion, they use their arms, they generate this huge field to coerce a lot of people. So therefore you’ve got to learn how to coerce with words before you can coerce mentally and then from mentally you’ve got to go on. But, if you take people like Hitler and Stalin, they’re corrupt because what they wanted was world domination for their own personal gain. You take Roosevelt, Lincoln, Washington, all your great American people, Ronald Reagan, they coerce for the common good, a little bit for personal gain as well. So, normally when you coerce for personal gain, things go wrong. You end up being disliked, shot at, killed, blown up, poisoned, going crazy. So therefore you’ve got to be careful when you coerce in a negative way. Now here’s a question for you Johnny, a nice situation for you. You are a very clever coercer like myself right? I go for a job interview and I need a job. I coerce the person for the job, is that good or bad?

John: it’s good.

Kiri: tell me why.

John: because I wouldn’t use that technique unless I was in a desperate situation and needed a job desperately.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: and with what I do for a living, cooking…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: eating goes hand-in-hand with it.

Kiri: oh exactly.

John: a cook won’t starve to death, I don’t care what the company policy is…..

Kiri: uh-huh, you’ve got to sample the food.

John: I’ve got to.

Kiri: so therefore……

John: I’m forced into it.

Kiri: yeah, so therefore using your coercion to get a job right? You coerce the person into giving you the job. You’re doing something for yourself but you’re also doing something for them because you are a talented chef. All chefs think they’re great and I mean that in a complementary way, that’s what makes them good. So, in return they bring their style and flair to that place and if it is marketed correctly, that place thrives. Take your place in Sedona, "Judi’s". Before you got there what was it? It was a okay restaurant wasn’t it?

Russ: hole the wall.

John: yeah it was a okay hole in the wall surviving on a shoestring.

Kiri: and when you got there and after a year or two what happened? Tah-dah!!! Johnny arrived, everything went great.

John: yeah, we expanded the menus, we increased the food quality, we increased the amount of business and revenue.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: I also in turn increased my wages proportionally.

Kiri: uh-huh and you became a very important part of the team.

John: that’s true.

Kiri: so therefore you brought something as an employee to the company.

John: no doubt about it.

Kiri: it certainly benefited them. So by using a coercive means, it works two ways. You survive or I would survive if I was a chef and you do wonderful things for the company. So therefore using coercion in a negative form can actually turn into a positive form in that sense whereas if you go for a job that you really don’t need that you’re going to rip off the company and you coerce them, that’s bad. So you see that it is….

David: but you’re taking away somebody’s own decision making……’re not allowing them to decide for themselves who they think the best cook would be.

Kiri: sometimes people’s decisions are flawed.

David: yeah but everybody thinks their way of thinking is right.

Kiri: uh-huh. You're quite correct but by putting yourself in a situation where you benefit them and they benefit you it’s a mutual thing. After a while it doesn’t matter whether you coerce them or not, the fact remains such as "Judi’s" that the place blossomed with the help of Johnny. So if he had coerced for a job it would have probably happened quicker. If he learns how to coerce here, the same thing could happen but it also depends on I believe marketing as well. You can have the greatest food in the world and if it’s not marketed properly…… coercion, coercion can have a positive effect. Even though you do take away the person’s free will, it is only for a one-off. On the other hand, if you take away their free will in a negative way, for example let us take…..I can’t think of anybody new, I suppose we could go back to the Little Cpl. again but I’m sick of the Little Cpl. Anybody else sick of him?

John: yeah, I don't want to hear anything else about Hitler.

Kiri: okay another, a little captain from France, great coercer.

John: oh Napoleon?

Kiri: uh-huh, great coercer, another great one. Tell me, did Napoleon do anything good?

Russ: uh-huh.

David: yeah.

Kiri: what did he do good?

David: he turned France into a world power.

Kiri: uh-huh.

David: somewhat European power.

Kiri: uh-huh.

David: and made everybody there kind of…..

Kiri: feel good about themselves.

David: feel prosperous yeah and brought back their patriotism.

Kiri: uh-huh. But he gave something again as a coercer much more important. Russ....

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: what’s your answer?

Russ: he brought in a order to things where before it was pretty well messed up.

Kiri: uh-huh but he brought one very important thing and it's close to order. He brought the law that they still use and thank you Tia, the law that they still use in their country today was invented partly by Napoleon. A little bit like George Washington in your country and the founding parents.

Russ: hmmm.

David: didn’t he put a lot of people in graves though?

Kiri: yes, that’s the negative side. He dominated and killed thousands and thousands of people so therefore he was a border point good, bad coercer and what happened to him? He died very young. So coercion, what have we learned tonight? You have to control it very, very carefully otherwise you get beyond your wildest dreams and you go crazy, simple as that, you become a very bad person. Do we have any questions?

John: yeah, can you give us any advice on techniques and tools to use so we don’t abuse coercion and coercive powers and shielding?

Kiri: here’s the biggest tool, here and here, does it feel right? Certainly some of the bad people have always thought it felt right but is it really right, does it benefit you and you alone or does it benefit the other person? These are questions that you have to ask yourself and if it feels good here and the answer here is that it benefits both parties or it benefits them more than it benefits you, then it’s good. Take Mark’s current problem. If he coerces her, he’s taking away her learning experience. If he doesn’t coerce her, she proceeds down the way where she will never learn. So what does he do? Pulls out his hair, goes crazy and get stressed out about it. Does it benefit her? Certainly it does take away the problems and it does help her but does she learn? Yes she does learn but why doesn’t he coerce her? I don’t know, he won’t let me in and you guys have gone mighty quiet.

Russ: oh well, I thought it was a rhetorical question.

Kiri: well never mind.

Russ: I’ve got other questions besides coercion so I’ll wait until the coercion questions get answered.

Kiri: okay, any more questions on coercion?

John: no, not for me thank you, you’ve been very informative.

Kiri: okay now your question.

Russ: well darling, I was talking to Tia about a certain Douglas Adams story and….

Kiri: you were? She’s giggling.

Russ: yeah, of course. Which brings me to a certain point in the book called "So Long and Thanks For All the Fish".

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: in which after supposedly the earth was destroyed by a Vogon construction fleet, in later stories it was seen that the dolphins apparently gave them a false earth or something like that? I don’t remember.

Kiri: you’re asking the wrong person, I haven’t read it.

Russ: well I’m thinking now on this transition between third dimensional earth and sixth dimensional earth okay?

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: now looking……




(Kiri gets back to answering the question being asked)

Russ: … necessary here on Earth?

Kiri: I really don’t know, you’re asking the wrong question. You have to remember that Sirius and Earth are two totally different planets. Their suns are two totally different suns, the local setups were two totally different setups so it’s really hard to say.

Russ: let me ask you this question then, how much importance will the Great Pyramid of Egypt have to do with the transition as we saw with the transition of Sirius?

Kiri: because it was a copy, I don’t see that it will have that much of an influence, it was not inhabited.

Russ: okay well we know it had a few different purposes.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: would one of the possible purposes be towards the transitional phase that we're looking at in the future?

Kiri: it’s really hard to say, there is that possibility yes.

Russ: so we would research it possibly?

Kiri: uh-huh, possibly.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: so, I’m now the theologist huh? Well I suppose I am a little bit yeah.

Russ: I was just kicking it around, what the heck?

Kiri: okay, I’m kicking.

John: how about Mount Shasta or something else other than the Great Pyramid being more of an influence on this planet in our dimensional shift since Sirius and Earth are so different?

Kiri: uh-huh, hmm.

John: could it possibly be a Mayan or South American or a natural formation?

Kiri: a natural formation would have a much stronger influence on your planet certainly because if you take somewhere like Mount Shasta, it certainly does have crystals in it, it certainly does have certain interesting properties however it is very unstable. Take certain Mayan structures such as Tenetischla, is that correct?

John: yeah, it's close enough for me.

Kiri: close enough for me too.

Russ: Teotihuacan.

Kiri: sorry?

Russ: Teotihuacan?

Kiri: no, I don't know. It's down near the capital of.....

Russ: Mexico?
Kiri: yeah.

Russ: go ahead.

Kiri: anyway, I mean certainly that there again does have very psychic influences however, it has had very negative influences as well so I don’t see that that would work. What you need somewhere that is stable and pure that has the ability to hold lifeforms within it.

John: how about a area or a pyramid that has not been discovered by archaeologists yet, something that’s still out there that we haven’t seen?

Kiri: uh-huh, there are those possibilities. I can’t help you to say where, when, how, why because half the answers I don’t know. However, there is a very large pyramid quite close to you.

John: can you tell us where?

Kiri: Russ?

Russ: the one you're in I guess.

(Ed. note: there was a six foot copper pyramid in the room we had built)

Kiri: David?

David: could it be a pyramid that’s not really a formation of the earth but a pyramid that’s if you look at it from the sky it’s like......because I guess Humboldt and Mendocino counties and some Shasta county or something is like supposed to be the prime soil area in California.

Kiri: that’s a possibility there however there is a pyramid very close to you guys, not this one but close. Do you use it as a navigational beacon when you astral travel?

Russ: uh-uh.

Kiri: do you know what I'm talking about?

Russ: uh-uh.

Kiri: over there.

Russ: where?

Kiri: over there, if you go outside and…..

Russ: you mean Tallac?

David: Mount Tallac?

Kiri: no, next one over, what’s the name of it?

John: Pyramid Mountain.

Kiri: Pyramid Peak.

John: Pyramid Peak, excuse me.

Kiri: so it could be a natural formation. That is quite stable, it’s got crystals in it however I don’t think it could hold spiritually lifeforms. It could do, I don’t know, if it’s got caves in it, certainly it could hold them. But there’s many things that you have to remember about pyramids and stuff. Your planet doesn’t have the same religious setup as we had or still do have on Sirius. I mean you’re talking about a religious setup that is about a 100,000 years old and it works very well.

Russ: well that’s true, I’m just wondering is it necessary to have such a structure to survive the transition?

Kiri: you have to remember why the pyramid on Sirius was built.

Russ: right?

Kiri: which was?

Russ: to honor the souls of those who had passed away during the…..

Kiri: correct.

Russ: destruction of Tonar the Corrupt.

Kiri: correct or rather actually his daughters.

Russ: his daughters right.

Kiri: uh-huh. So that is why…… Tia got nudged, I’m getting nudged by the next person.

Russ: oh okay.

Kiri: we will have to continue this at some other time.

John: all right thanks.

Kiri: I’ll see you guys later.

John: yeah see you.

Kiri: yeah.......and as Omal's not here to say it I’ll say it, live long, prosper and, I’ll be back. It wouldn't be quite the same without somebody saying that.

(Tia prepares for the next speaker)

Russ: hi Tia.

(Tia says hi in Durondedunn)

Tia: okay, they're linking minds so they'll be a few seconds, any quick questions?

Russ: yeah what happened in "So Long and Thanks For All the Fish"? How did the dolphins do it again?

Tia: they just disappeared, left by their own means.

Russ: yes but how did they save the Earth?

Tia: they didn’t, it never said.

Russ: yeah it did.

Tia: you sure?

Russ: uh-huh, I’ll reread the book.

Tia: yeah. Okay, they’re ready.

Russ: I’ll have a report for you next week.

Tia: yes and I want it in writing, triplicates sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, lost again, finally buried in soft peat for six months and then recycled as fire lighters.

Russ: I'll see what I can do.

(Ed. report: in the book, the dolphins left Earth prior to its destruction for an alternate dimension. Before leaving, they created a new Earth and transported everything from the original to the new one)

(Karra joins us for a healing lesson that had been planned)

Karra: hello.

Russ: hello my love.

Karra: how’s it going?

Russ: getting there.

Karra: Johnny, how’s it going?

John: okay, who am I talking to here?

Karra: Karra.

John: oh well you guys jump around, if I don’t know I’ll ask.

Karra: okay that is always……

John: how you doing tonight Karra?

Karra: I’m doing excellent however I was kept awake earlier on last night.

Russ: ohh, the earthquakes on Hades Base?

Karra: uh-huh, psychic earthquakes. David, how are you doing?

David: pretty good.

Karra: but not as well as you would like.

David: uh-uh.

Karra: team effort by the way.

Russ: I’ll get the water.

Karra: so you have a problem I hear with your leg.

David: yes.

Russ:  cold water right?


David: thank you.

Karra: okay........and a clean towel.

(Karra prepares for the healing by clapping her hands together to stimulate the energy)

Karra: okay, you know how to suck energy if my memory serves me correct?

David: if I know what?

Karra: how to suck energy out of crystals.

David: well I've never felt like I had to suck them out.

Karra: well you’re going to have to this time.

David: always felt like they were just coming out.

Karra: uh-huh, we’re going to force you to suck lots of energy out.

David: okay.

Karra: okay let me come closer........okay, let’s do this properly this time.

(we hear her rinsing her hands)

Karra: right, stick out your knee.......I’m going to draw energy.

(Karra claps her hands together to stimulate the energy again)

Karra: now I’m going to talk as I go so that Russ can learn. Now why did I remove the watch?

Russ: because it interferes with energy flow.

Karra: that’s right. There we go, we got contact here. Okay now relax, hold the crystal with both hands like this okay. Close your eyes and suck, okay. Oh that is badly swollen, you got any ice cubes?

Russ: Johnny, you have ice cubes?

John: I’ll check it out.

Russ: I was just wondering if you knew, I haven't been in the freezer in a while.

John: I think so.

Karra: now what I’m doing is I’m heating the area up, can you feel the heat being created?

David: uh-huh.

Karra: okay now it will make the leg bend easier. Okay we need to get this swelling down first so what we will do is get some ice on there. Okay now suck the energy out of the crystal. Move your leg forward a little bit there? Okay we’re going to start pulling energy from the underside and the topside here instead of from the side here. Okay Russ, could you bring over the laser scalpel?

(a crystal point with some unique properties)

Russ: uhh yeah.

Karra: and how did you do this?

David: I was hit by a car.

Karra: and you were hit on the leg?

David: they could’ve hit me a lot harder, it was only like 10 or 15 miles an hour.

Karra: okay now how does that feel so far?

Russ: here you go.

David: thanks.

Karra: Russ, I’ve got a job for you.

Russ: uhh yeah.

Karra: I want you to hold that right there.

Russ: okay.

Karra: charge energy down there. Okay… what Russ is doing is he’s concentrating on a focal point and what is actually happening is you've drawn the energy from the crystal and brought it up through your leg and I’m directing the energy. How does that feel?

David: well….

Karra: a little bit more movement?

David: yeah.

Karra: okay got some exercises that will help as you are a skier.

David: snowboarder.

Karra: snowboarder. Snowboarder, skier, they’re the same. I don’t ski very much or snowboard very much. Okay you will need one towel and I'll show you what to do. Okay roll it up and this is taught even on your third dimension. Put it underneath the knee right? And this will help to strengthen the knee and you lift it up, count to 10 (counts to ten). Bring it back down.

David: I can’t straighten my leg yet all the way to a lock.

Karra: no you don’t straighten it to lock. Bring it up, stretch your toe forward, count to 10 and bring it down okay? Do that 10 times and then rest, rest for about two minutes and then do it another 10 times. All’s you’re doing is bringing it up and stretching your toes. What you’re actually doing is stretching the muscles here and here. Now if it hurts, don’t force it, okay? There’s another one that you can do is you lie back all the way flat on the ground and I’m not going to go all the way and bring it up and hold it and of course toes are facing forward and then bring it down. Count to 10, up, forward, count to 10 and down. What you're doing then is you're strengthening the other part of this part of the leg here and the lower part of the knee here okay?

David: alright.

Karra: any questions, David?

David: nope.

Karra: okay now don’t forget the ice. Promise me you’ll put ice on it when you get home, it will help.

David: well someone told me that I should actually put heating pads on it because the swelling has gone down a whole, whole hell of a lot. It’s still a little swollen.

Karra: no you want to take the swelling out first of all. What the heat pads will do right?

David: uh-huh.

Karra: is it will stimulate the blood flow.

David: which makes it heal faster right?

John: no it makes the swelling increase……

Karra: not necessarily.

John: and your inflammation increase.

Karra: that’s right.

John: you need ice, in fact……

Karra: you see what happens when you have a….

John: as long as you promise to give these back to me, I have got some therapeutic ice packs that are made exactly for this.

Karra: okay, now what happens when you use cold is that the blood contracts right? And that area needs to be heated so the blood rushes down to it and it’s being contracted which speeds up the blood flow through that area.

David: uh-huh.

Karra: so in turn what it does is it speeds up the healing process because there’s been oxygen brought in the blood system to that area. Now what you can also do is elevate it, sit on a chair with it up high like this and that in turn with the ice, you have the blood flowing down the leg and it’s pumped up the leg hard so it has to work to get up there but when it comes back down it flows quicker which means that the oxygen is being put into the muscle of the leg because it has to pump uphill and when it comes rushing down, you’re getting the circulation of the blood going faster.

David: oh.

Karra: in fact if somebody was to monitor your heart, your heartbeat would go from a steady what’s it, about 80 a minute? To probably about 81 or 82 a minute, it would increase by one heartbeat per minute. Any more questions gentlemen?

Russ: none for me.

Karra: Johnny?

John: oh no, not right off hand.

Karra: okay I’m going to go because we have a guest speaker.

(Tia makes her final appearance)

Tia: yes Russ?

Russ: Tia?

Tia: yeah.

Russ: hey babe.

Tia: well what we’re going to do because English isn’t her first language, is Kiri is going to be her voice and she will ask questions through her and you can ask questions and Kiri will translate for her and then translate back.

Russ: okay.

Tia: okay? Also she’s being shy about sitting in the channeling chair.

Russ: I understand.

Tia: uh-huh.

(Kiri returns but only to act as the voice for the future Lady Tanaka)

Russ: how’s it Gonzo?

Kiri: Gonzo is doing fine.

Russ: good.

Kiri: where do you start?

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: question.

Russ: uh-huh.

Kiri: what is it like to live in a different, cold climate?

Russ: hmm……well, shovel a lot of snow, clean off the windshield of our cars.

Kiri: explain cars.

Russ: personal mode of transportation using….

Kiri: ahh, she understands.

Russ: ahhh.

Kiri: what we’re doing Johnny is I’m acting as the voice for a very shy person who wants to ask a whole load of questions and also answer a whole load of questions.

John: okay.

Kiri: yes and she doesn’t speak much in the way of English.

John: right.

Kiri: so instead of…..

John: does she have a name?

Kiri: well everybody calls her Gonzo.

David: Gonzo?

Kiri: yes Gonzo.

John: is that in reference to her nose?

Kiri: she does have a little bit of a nose but it is in actual fact a shortening of her name.

John: which is?

Kiri: Gorozky.

John: okay. Well any questions you got for me ask away.

Kiri: she wants to know what is it like in a high desert?

John: what constitutes a high desert….

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: is the lack of rainfall basically and high deserts range from your vegetarian, vegetable matter that grows on the Earth is your biggest basic difference and there’s different parameters…..I mean you can have a high desert with large trees or large cactus or you can have…..there’s a lot of high desert with virtually no trees and cactus and very limited vegetation.

Kiri: what is cactus?

John: cactus is a plant that grows very good in desert areas and it's very unique. The saguaro cactus of Arizona, the trees of the desert and there’s many different varieties of cactus and succulents and other usually very hardy species. Cactus are hardy species, they grow best under harsh conditions.

Kiri: describe the appearance of a cactus.

John: it would be cylindrical and spiny. They vary dramatically, there’s different varieties and different species. They’re thorny........

Kiri: describe the one that you mentioned.

John: and they're hardy.

Russ: well saguaros grow about 15 feet tall sometimes but average around 10.

John: oh yeah but they grow a lot bigger than that if you don’t mess with them.

Russ: oh sure and they basically have a single stock about maybe a foot, foot and a half across that goes up 15 feet with a couple arms that break off from it that go…..

John: the unique feature of a saguaro cactus for it to grow an arm, it needs 24 hours of continuous precipitation and usually that comes in snow where it will snow on the cactus and the moisture……inevitably the next day usually the snow will melt because of the ground temperature rising but with this unique property and getting 24 hours of continuous moisture allows it for an arm to grow. They’re a slow-growing, hardy species, spiny…..there’s many with some medicinal qualities.

Kiri: what color are they?

John: green as a general rule, most usually green.

Russ: some will flower like the saguaro will flower.

Kiri: what color flowers?

John: most all of them will flower.

Russ: yellow.

Kiri: okay. Questions, do you have any for Gonzo?

John: any cactus?

Kiri: questions.

John: oh….

(the phone rings)

Russ: I got it.

John: no, not right off hand. Do you have cactus on Hades?

Kiri: we don’t have them on Hades Base and Gonzo is saying that there are semi-succulent plants but none that match that description.

John: yeah, succulents and cactus do have some similarities.

Kiri: ahh.

John: could you put in a greenhouse and grow cactus on Hades Base, are you capable of doing that?

Kiri: on Hades Base yes but Gonzo’s from Sirius, she’s visiting.

John: okay and would it be possible to grow cactus on Sirius?

Kiri: no because it’s not a native plant.

John: could you introduce it in any kind of way?

Kiri: it is forbidden.

David: what do you do for kicks on Sirius?

Kiri: on Sirius, Gonzo says she hikes, she likes to eat flowers which have a narcotic effect but are non-addictive. She likes to ski, she is not very good at it because it is far for her to travel to ski. It is about eight hours for her to get to where she can ski. She likes to drink and read.

David: do they have the same… I don’t know, it's a different planet, what do they…..

Kiri: what do we do for fun?

David: no, not really. Are there any things up there for fun that are like totally impossible to do on Earth or are there things on Earth that’s totally impossible for them to do there?

Kiri: Gonzo says she likes to free fly which is she straps on a pair of wings and feathers on her feet and she can fly like a bird. I believe that is impossible on your planet due to the fact that the gravity is too high. As opposed to things that you have on your planet, Gonzo says she would like to drive one of your combustible propelled vehicles in a competing fashion.

John: like drag racing or something?

Kiri: something like that yes, I think I know what drag racing is.

John: what does Gonzo look like? Describe her physically, all her physical features head to toe.

Kiri: okay head to toe, well she’s about 6’1”, she has brownish hair, she has a hook nose but not too big. She has greeny eyes.

John: green eyes?

Kiri: greenish.

John: greenish eyes. Is there any white pupils to them?

Kiri: yes uh-huh.

John: does she have eyelids?

Kiri: yes.

John: and as far as getting back to her hair, her brunette hair, what length is it?

Kiri: shoulder length.

John: what length does she wear it?

Kiri: shoulder length but at the moment it’s tied in a ponytail I think you would call it, pulled back.

David: does she have big old like one inch thick strands of hair like "Predator"?

Kiri: no. Put it this way, if she walked down your street, the only thing that would strike her as different is the fact that she is tall.

David: oh, they look like humans up there on Sirius?

Kiri: yeah I look…..I’m very humanoid and I come from Sirius, in fact I’m a little bit short for a Sirian.

John: arms, legs…….

Kiri: yes.

John: and how about her reproductive system, is it similar to the humanoids in this third dimension Earth?

Kiri: very compatible, very compatible apart from we tend to be a little bit more fluid in the vaginal line, vaginal fluids.

John: and would Sirians be considered mammals how we consider humans mammals on our planet?

Kiri: uh-huh, yes. We’re very……if you were to do an autopsy on a Sirian, the only thing that would be different would be a lighter bone structure, the appendix work and I believe the heart is angled slightly differently. Blood pressure is higher of course……

David: why?

Kiri: because we’re bigger, we’re taller as a rule.

David: oh, what is an average man or…..

Kiri: average height for an average man runs at about at 6’1” to 6’3” so 6’2” would be about the average.

David: women?

Kiri: women? Again about 6’1” to 6’3”. Height…..

David: so there’s not a big height difference between women and men?

Kiri: no, no. As I said, I’m 5’11”, no I’m six feet and I’m short. However there are people taller that go as far as 6’6”. There are some people that are 6’8”, 6’9”. The tallest person on our planet was 8’3”.

John: do you guys play basketball?

Kiri: what’s basketball? We both want to know, Gonzo and myself would like to know.

John: well it’s a sport that we do for a pastime, some of us participate in it directly……

Kiri: we have a image up here on the computer of a male negro about 6’1” with big, thick glasses strapped to the side of his head…..

Russ: Kareem.

Kiri: and he’s also......another picture is being popped up of him wearing a pilot suit carrying a basketball, is that correct, basketball?

David: 6’1’ man, Kareem’s taller than that…. 6’9”.

John: yeah Kareem’s taller than 6’1”

Kiri: 6’9”? Well it’s hard to say looking at a hologram but he’s wearing a blue flight suit in one picture and the other one he has......Lakers?

Russ: uh-huh, Lakers.

Kiri: why is he a pilot… he a pilot professionally and plays part-time?

Russ: no, it’s a movie that he was in.

Kiri: oh it’s a movie? Tia’s giggling.

John: yeah it’s a fictional….

Kiri: ahhh.

Russ: comedy.

John: a fictional production that we do for entertainment, it’s one of our forms of entertainment.

Kiri: oh yes we are aware of the movies.

John: along with watching these black people bounce balls. Now you referred to him as a negro?

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: do you have different….

Kiri: yes we do.

John: species on your planet?

Kiri: we have different colors.

David: is green one of them?

Kiri: (laughing) no.

David: do you have what we would consider a Caucasian?

Kiri: yes, I am white and there are people that are of very dark skin, almost black, ebony in color would be a better description. We have people that have a yellowy tinge to their skin and a red tinge to their skin.

David: that covers us too.

Kiri: uh-huh but we don’t have any people of short stature on our planet. Short stature….

David: no midgets?

Kiri: no short people.

David: not even like 5’5”?

Kiri: no, only children.

John: on Earth, the ratio of land to water is approximately one third landmass to two thirds water…..

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: how does that compare to Sirius?

Kiri: I should say it’s actually more on Sirius about fifty-fifty but we do have lakes…..we have a lot more drinking water available to us. Instead of 1% of our water, it is actually 4% of our water is drinkable.

John: is there life forms that live in these bodies of water?

Kiri: yes uh-huh, dolphins, orcas, pinnipeds. We have oh vast, different varieties of fish. We have a fish very similar to your salmon apart from it doesn’t die at the end of its life cycle. It will keep going and keep going and keep going and keep going and my father when I was little girl.....and Gonzo is telling me that I’m hogging all the time......caught one that was huge. It was about that big and about that fat and it took him about ten and a half hours to catch and he had a very thin line that was test weighted to I think it was five chee which is a measurement of weight.

Russ: hmm.

John: is Sirius a third dimensional planet?

Kiri: no, not anymore, we're sixth dimension.

John: okay, well I mean I….

Kiri: sorry, yes, I didn’t mean to sound upset.

John: I’m curious, but would you consider yourselves more evolved than the human planet?

Kiri: spiritually and psychically yes, physically no.

David: what’s the crime rate?

Kiri: what’s crime? I know what crime is, Gonzo is saying what is crime?

David: crime is actually an idea not particularly.........

Kiri: doing something that is not acceptable by people’s standards.

David: yeah.

Kiri: but we do not have….

David: sometimes immoral.

Kiri: what is immoral?

David: immoral's something other than what is usually perceived as….

Kiri: correct by the people.

David: yeah, just the right way to do things or the right way to live and treat each other.

Kiri: uh-huh, the concept of taking a life is unknown to us. It is not unheard of, it happens, most the time it is accidental. Those that have committed murder and I believe there is a grand total maybe five on the planet that did it intentionally are kept separate and incarcerated and helped. Rape is unheard of, assault is unheard of. Fighting is heard of and it is normally between very select individuals that are the equivalent to your army and it is encouraged between them but they are encouraged very strongly not to hurt people that do not participate in their lifestyle.

Russ: Kiri?

Kiri: yes?

Russ: has Gonzo acclimated herself to her new position yet?

Kiri: she’s blushing and saying no. She’s got her hands on her face going, "nooo!!"

Russ: (laughing) does she ski?

Kiri: not very well.

Russ: well good, neither do I so….

Kiri: Mark is taking her up the slopes tomorrow and I’m coming along too, taking a day off.

Russ: oh good.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well I’ll be coming up tonight so I'll just come on over and say hi.

Kiri: okay.

Russ: does she like Earl Grey tea?

Kiri: she’s still learning about tea. Okay now any more questions for Gonzo as I hogged all her time?

Russ: is she excited about the marriage coming up?

Kiri: very.

Russ: good, has she seen her wedding dress yet?

Kiri: not yet, she’s going to be trying that on tomorrow morning.

Russ: ohh good.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well from what I heard about it, it’s going to be something to see.

Kiri: uh-huh.

John: is there a population of Sirians on earth right now?

Kiri: ................yes.

John: are they in the third dimension?

Kiri: yes.

John: are they any kind of threat to the human race?

Kiri: yes and no. Russ, are there any Sirians in your room, ancestors of Sirians?

Russ: yeah all of us.

Kiri: uh-huh, you’re all a threat to each other unfortunately so yes they are a threat and no they are not a threat, very convoluted but I’ve got to apologize, I’m hogging all the time for Gonzo.

Russ: well that’s all right, will she able to come by every once in a while for our channeling sessions?

Kiri: it is unlikely, it is unlikely.

Russ: what is she going to be doing while she’s up there, besides being a bride-to-be?

Kiri: well she’s going to be doing the tourist thing.

Russ: ohhhh.

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: well that will be fun.

Kiri: yeah.

John: what exactly is Russ’s role with Gonzo......

Kiri: a teacher.

John: on this premarital…

Kiri: teacher.

Russ: right, I was talking to her about Earth the other day when she first got up there.

Kiri: yes, they teach each other.

John: so she's curious, is Gonzo curious?

Kiri: very curious, yes.

Russ: because it’s a part of the family now and she doesn't understand that part of the family….

Kiri: yes.

Russ: but explain to her I’m kind of sorry for being so ghost-like and fading out there at the last.

Kiri: she says that is all right.

John: will Russ and Gonzo have physical contact, will Russ be able to solidify himself?

Kiri: the only person that can answer that question she is saying is Russ.

Russ: that’s right but yes it is very possible…

Kiri: uh-huh.

Russ: it’s how much effort I can get to it.

John: and Russ will be visiting Gonzo on Hades Base while she’s visiting Hades Base?

Kiri: she says yes.

John: and then after her marriage she’s going to return to Sirius?

Kiri: that is correct.

John: can she visit Earth?

Kiri: no, she’s not permitted to.

John: is she capable of doing it?

Kiri: if she was to hop aboard one of our patrol ships she could certainly come down to your planet, walk down the street, nobody would raise an eyebrow apart from as I said her height. However, the reason why she won’t come to your planet is the same reason as I’m not allowed to go is because I do not understand money, I do not understand your customs, I do not understand your taboos, I do not understand your laws, I do not understand things you would call common sense. For example, when you cross a street you have to stop when there are vehicles, they don’t stop for you. The few vehicles we have on Sirius, they stop for you. Even if it is a very busy area with maybe one every 30 seconds, they have to stop and let you cross…..

John: what form of transportation are you referring to, does it use an internal combustion engine similar to us?

Kiri: no, no.

Russ: gravity.

Kiri: uh-huh, it’s a gravimetric… you want me to explain how it works?

John: sure.

Kiri: okay gravimetrical….

Russ: we have about three minutes of tape left.

Kiri: how many?

Russ: three.

Kiri: and Tia is shouting, "no".

John: can we talk about this some other time?


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